apostasy has been the devil's most effective means of fighting against the truth.
after all, time and time again the devil was able to lure the israelites away from the worship of jehovah and in to all sorts of idol worship and whatnot.
some anointed christians in the 1st century were also induced to become antichrists.
Hmmm. So the FDS is proved to be right and backed by God because they are fullfilling prophesy about stumbling all the brothers. So because they get so much wrong they are the true org. I see. How stupid of me for not seeing that!
But the other christain religions are just wrong, even though they to stumble the brothers and teach falsehood, but that just proves that they are 'Babylon the Great'. Ah ha! Makes perfect sense.
Go back to sleep now ... ... ...
regardless of scriptural implications, creating special categories of service such as colporteur, pioneer, special pioneer, etc.
was a brilliant move.. the prestige, status and few little perks associated with those committing to being full-time workers is miniscule compensation for their sacrifice of time, lifestyle, income and educational opportunities.. yes, the hour requirements have dropped on several occasions.
how many on the board know that the regular pioneer requirement was once 150 hours a month, then 1200 hours a year, than 1000, now 90-vacation/assembly time?.
Pioneering is often the only way the normally down-troden souls could experience their moment in the sun, and feel important, be it Aux or Reg pioneer. That way you are elevated in the cong, and have just a bit more athority and status. It amazes me that people in 'da troof' can't see what a rat-race the JW lifestile is, always striving for the elders and cong's pleasure and reassurance that you are a good person, and one that people want to be around. A totally social environment, all done for the pleasing of others.
that's the title of another poxy thread on witnesses online that has me scratching my head in disbelief that anyone could be so deluded.. i would love to be able to post a reply in the thread saying something like: "well, i guess none of you have any unbelieving relatives, then?"..
link: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000345.
expatbrit
Also, do you know that the man who designed the first spacecraft for NASA was someone who eventually became a brother (or he was a brother, hmm)! Also, the MEPS? systems, you know what the Society uses to translate. A witness invented that.
Ha ha, love those urban legends! One man designed NASA's 'first' spacecraft huh? And a J-dub at that. Oh and there's that amazing translating MEPS thing Ha ha! They don't even know what MEPS is!
once again fred lurks where he isn't allowed.
why are you here fred?
maybe you're a closet apostate?.
Awesome! LOL :D
the other day i was browsing in my local paper, and was greeted by.
the following article:.
http://www.leaderpost.com/cgi-bin/liveique.acgi$rec=3637?sports.
If he's rich enough, he'll be allowed to be a good witness. As long as he gets a few hours in FS a month. Oh and contributes to the fund generously. Best to do so with checks so God knows who the $$'s are coming from ...
i"m finally going to do it , write that dang da letter.
being that we still have family in, i would like some assistance in starting out this task.
i have so much already in mind, but after being on these board and reading about so many of you, i can see the strenght coming from you the beautiful way some of guys can write.
Oh ... keep waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting. We promise it will all get better *someday* - sure we make mistakes but that just proves we're right. Unlike all the other religions when they make mistakes - that proves that they're false evil religions and everyone in them will die die die die, with all their blood and guts spilling out to the earth. Aren't you glad we have such good news to tell you!
does anyone take any responsibility for what happened in 1975?
maybe i should say what didn't happen in 1975!.
i mentioned 1975 to my still devout but not so fundamental jw mum.
I thought that 2005 would have been 6000 years since Adam + 30 years before Jesus began him ministry or some such nonsense like that ...
when i first started studying in 84 at the ripe ol age of 29, i was told oft and repeatedly that jws did everything in moderation, and nothing sinful or unbiblical.
apparently, like everything else, they have added footnotes to the scriptures that say not to get drunk, as that seems to be their only "legitimate" (read, unregulated) escape from the reality that is the witchtrowel babble and trash sectciety.. there was one elder in my first congregation that reeked of alcohol even first thing in the morning at field service.
i was told by someone "born in the truth" that he had a "body chemistry problem, whereby when he would sweat it would smell like alcohol, and he did sweat profusely...hence the reddenned face.
Yep, every hall I was in the drinking was heavy and constant. Of course, that didn't stop the elders from judgeing and rebuking non-elders and their families for drinking! :)
i was reading through some of you guys old postings and i was laughing so hard.
some of you guys still believe the strange things your mom and dad said but didnt explain like not eating count chocula cereal.
didnt ever occur to you that maybe your parents thought that keeping you away from something as simple as a cartoon dracula might be in your best interests?
Geoff has run off to play Faldon and acheive Sorcerer status. All the while thanking Jehovah that his parents had the forsight to protect him from evil demonic influence such as Boo-berry, Casper, and Scooby-Doo (all demonic and could cause instand possession of you and every household item you know).
Typical hypocrasy (sp?) brings back good memories.
i'm starting this thread because dedalus made such a good point in his post in the "what.
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i won't quote his whole post here, but here's the link:.
Ditto. I too have noticed that drinking was MUCH more a part of life as a JW than now. Now we have a beer or 2 w/ dinner sometimes, but as a JW there was no way to have a social event without many/most people involved getting totally hammered. I haven't been smashed since leaving JWs! Many times when we're socializing now it's done totally drink-free, a thought that never would have occured during my time as a JW. I NEEDED a drink or 4 to have ANY fun.
In typical fasion, when one party got out of hand, and some of the events became 'public' knowledge, the ones who were publically reproved or DF'ed were ALL non-elders family. ALL, and I mean down to the last one, of the elders sons/brothers/etc where left alone and not reproved. Even though they were the ones in the middle of the worst of the behaviour that night! The elders could not have been much more blatent with their favoritism.
And the witch-hunt following the above mentioned party revealed several other partys where quite a bit of 'loose conduct' occured, but since the main characters there were (again) all the fair-haired elder's children, those were quietly swept under the rug with the typical "Oh those were different incidents, and you don't need to know the full details about why we made the decision we did". Yea right.
