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  Paradise - I Think I'll Pass........

  by Black Man in

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  one thing that has always kinda ticked me off with the society depiction of paradise, is the completely bland, devoid of personality, stepford wives-ish look given to paradise pics in the publications over the years.

  peeps walkin' around smilin' for no reason, no attention given to a cultivation of technology, the arts, space exploration.

  there never seemed to be any point to paradise.

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  Too many neutered dogs have tried to hump my legs for me to buy that one!
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  Boring Meetings are Intentional, Folks!

  by metatron in

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  long, boring, repetitive meetings are intentional.

  an accident.

  ever experiment with autohypnosis or autosuggestion?

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  NameWithheld

  Quite right, as I was replying to one of Leanderr's posts - the meetings are a catch-22 for them now, they must remain in the current format and many times a week to remain effective as a brainwashing/brain-deadening tool. But on the other hand due to their mind-numbing capabilities, many people who do like to think are quite put off by them. The question is are they put off enough to quit going. Once they quit going it becomes much easier to leave entirely.

  The net result? The WTBTS ends up full of brain dead zombies - often driving away the 'cream of the crop' of humanity as it were, and being left with the weirdos ... <insert Fred Hall joke here>
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  Some things that annoy me about the WTS

  by Leander in

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  i'm still currently a jw myself and i'm serving as a minsterial servant in a limited capacity.

  (a few weeks ago i was vocal about the doubts i've had and the elders made the decision to allow me to stay on as a ms but without giving talks) .

  1. recently as in the last few years i've been paying more attention to the various members in the congregation and i've observed some interesting things.

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  I have to say, the shear mind-numbing boredom and drudgery of the meetings and assemblys may be one of the WTBTS's biggest losing points now. The message is the same thing over and over, and many thinking persons eventually begin to severely resent/hate the meetings. If they don't lighten up or freshen up (very unlikely) the format, more and more thinking people are going to keep walking. (Leaving them the dregs of scociety - which seems to already be the case in many areas).

  But they can't lighten up, since the mind-numbing is part of the thought control process - if they allow more freedoms the people will wise up - so it's quite a catch-22 for them. That was a big thing for me. I simply got to where I hated the meetings so much I just didn't go. Problem solved!
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  JW trying to keep others out

  by JT in

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  you will love this from wol- the (* km has told all jw not to put up any sites since you don't know who you are dealing with the slave has spoken but the rank and file jw doesn't want to be obedient to the slave.

  so they struggle as to how to be disobedient to the slave.

  their comments reveal the sick mindset of the jw in action as they try to decide how to setup a forum.

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  "A lot of people are misinformed about our activities and this database can show them that we are not "weird" and have normal lives."

  "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

  I had the exact same reaction! Sad thing is I recall people trying to do stuff to 'prove' how normal we were to new ones, studies, etc. Proves "Anyone who has to convince others that he is "normal" is certainly not "normal""

  "misinformed about our activities"?? And how would that be, are all those non-JWs trying to figure out what the JWs are doing? Such an over-inflated opinion of JW-hood. Truth is the average person could give a crap about what JWs are doing, except when they're waking them up from a Friday night hangover to offer the latest installment of 'good news'.
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  Japan Lost 500 Congregations!!!!

  by metatron in

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  do the math:.

  1998 - 3,802 congregations (1999 yrbook figure) .

  (drum roll, please).

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  NameWithheld

  Back when I was involved the CO would have demanded an immediate split for any hall of 120 or so.

  Now I know it was a golden opportunity for the WTBTS to profit on yet another 'free' hall being built on the backs of the local brothers.

  The one I loved was the one hall I attended the CO was pushing for a new hall only 2 years after the old one was quick built, and it was not even close to being filled up. Something to do with the parking lot or some such bunk, though the parking lot was never full either.
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  ARE BETHELITES FREE LABOR?

  by Pureheart in

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  bethelites are not free labor as we think.

  he does pay his way.

  most are unskilled when they first go to bethel.

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  Yea, they're unskilled when the go in, and they are unskilled when they leave. Trust me, the way things are run in the 'house of god' these poor young guys are not learning anything useful they could translate into a career later in life. They'd be MUCH better off going into that trade for real, or better yet getting a real education. Nice try to pass of Bethel life as beneficial, but it doesn't fly.

  Not too mention when they leave they have NO money, NO property, NO assests of any kind. Nor do they have any real 'job' experience, and of course no education. So they're screwed compared to someone who begins working at 20, or someone who goes thru college. Imagine leave the big house at age 40 or 50 in the above situation ... a surefire guaranteed way to permanent janitorial work till you die.
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  JW's here only, If, and thats a Big If, would you?

  by Celtic in

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  ... teach me, if i were to consider returning to your ways of thinking, reasoning and acting?

  if i were to be the illustration of the prodigal son, after campaigning for your organisation to change its policies on a few major issues, something that by now the uk branch doesn't seem to like, or appreciate me all that much for.

  what would be your immediate welcomeing reception for me?

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  NameWithheld

  Hmm. Well, if Jesus is 'guideing' the WTBTS org, than he is a piss poor director. I mean, does he not realize that his org is fornicating with the UN? That it's long record of abuse and hypocracy is stinking up the world? Perhaps then I am more capable than Jesus and I should run the org ... I would only take 5% of the top of the world wide donations I swear ... !!
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  Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site

  by hawkaw in

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  zev's internet site is up and running at:.

  ( http://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.

  zev's site will have a few more features added to it by next week.

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  NameWithheld

  Wow, that would be powerful stuff, to have a copy of the Awake in one hand, and a UN publication in the other, and be able to say "See, this is what they had to print to stay associated with the UN DPI, ALL to keep a liberary card?!" - I would say that this might even crack the shell for my family (maybe, though, they're pretty up to their necks in the BS).

  PS, thanks again to you and zev for all the work that you have put into this!!!!!
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  Evolution, Aliens ,Angels and Gods

  by sleepy in

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  i'd like to start by asking the question can you belive in evolution and not in the possibilty of alien life?.

  if the known laws of nature are all that are needed to create life undirected is there any basis for anyone doubting the probable existance of other creatures apart from our own?.

  if this is the case is there any reason to doubt that there could be beings of a different nature or more advanced than us?

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  I would pose this question as well ... if 'god' were to show up tomorrow, wouldn't people in general think that he/she/it were just some scary space alien and perhaps try and nuke him/her/it?
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  Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  zev's internet site is up and running at:.

  ( http://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.

  zev's site will have a few more features added to it by next week.

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  NameWithheld

  hawkaw:

  You mentioned that the WTBTS had to print UN DPI articles ... by this do you mean that the UN provided material to the WTBTS for printing? And if they did are the words/articles available from non WTBTS sources? I guess what I'm getting at is - is there a non-WTBTS publication that contains the same/very similar articles as in is the Awake? If so that would be powerful evidence that the WTBTS was being used as a UN mouthpeace ...