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  INFORMAL WITNESSING

  by TR in

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  i've got a bunch of those sl printouts, and i've got one pasted to a window in my work vehicle.

  posted one at the supermarket by my house, but noticed the other day that it had been taken down.

  gotta replace it.. several weeks ago, a car load of 'hovahs pulled up next to me at a convenience store to get their lunch while out in service.

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  NameWithheld

  I'd say it's far far easier to prevent a JW convert than the create one. All the ingredients have to be perfect to create a new JW - especially a 'cold call' (i.e. door knocking) JW rather than the far more plentyful children/family/associates converts. Usually lonelyness or mental health problems can help create a JW

  But the vast majority of people see right through the veil, and especially more so when you tell them a few things about your experiences. They all think it's pretty whacked.

  Thankfully I was a very unproductive JW and converted nobody - big surprise there!
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses evil?

  by SexyTeen in

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  i am shocked at the many accusations against jehovah's witnesses in this forum.. i know that i am young, but most of my family are jws and they are good people and i love them.

  even my worldly family is very nice and i do not shun them.

  the friends in the hall are very nice also.

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  AjaxMan, I have JW family that is like that, and has always been like that - even when we were 'active' JWs. Hot/Cold all the time. Same deal with JW 'friends' who would turn on you in a heartbeat if they saw some gain (usually social climbing in the JW 'corporate' ladder - currying favor w/ the elders). Then pretend the next week to be your best friends again. What a rollercoaster ride!

  SexyTeen, step outa line for one second and you will see just how 'loving' your elders can be.
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  ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by gilwarrior in

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  as most of you know i usually write about sexual matters, but i would like to take this time to write about something serious.

  after two months of writing posts and reading others people's posts and have concluded that the jehovah's witness organization purposely prevents people from contact with other people, because that way it is hard for someone to leave the organization.

  if everyone you know is in the organization then how can you leave?

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  NameWithheld

  Man, do I ever hate that "Where else is there to go?" crap. No way to fight it - the JW who's deep in (family/friends) cannot see their way out. And a lot of the one's who are DF'ed for whatever reason never replace their social structure as this is a VERY difficult thing to do, so they sit miserable and lonely wishing to speak to old freinds/family. So they swallow their pride and take their lumps to grovel their way back in. Knowing all along (at least subconsously(sp?)) it's a farce.

  I wish that the vast # of people how are simple in it for social gains would suddenly say to each other "Hey, I'll speak to you guys no matter what your JW standing is." I think 1/2 of the JW's would walk that very day. And the other half would be forced to go along with the anti-shunning. Well, one can dream right?
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  MEMORIAL TIME AGAIN

  by picosito in

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  can ya believe it?

  another memorial!!!

  who's going to do the talk, the prayers over the emblems, prayer before meeting.

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  Ug, time for the family to call again and 'remind' us when the memorial is. Like I'd want to go ....
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  My Story - A Novel

  by Belligerent Paladin in

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  hello sailor,.

  my name is vince.

  ive been off line for a little bit due to getting laid off and no internet access.

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  NameWithheld

  Excellent story. And one that's so typical nowdays. The 'net THANG' as JT likes to call it is/has fundamentally changed things for the better. Years ago people in your situation would have NEVER had the opportunity to see the info you have now been exposed to - yet now here it is laid in front of you, freely and easily accesable. No wonder the WTBTS is quvering in their boots about the 'net THANG'.

  There are so many people now that see the man behind the curtain in this wizard of oz story - I wonder what it would take for all these JWs who are in it soley to 'not rock the boat' to sudenly say to one another - "I will continue to associate with you regardless of your 'standing' as a JW". I bet half of them would leave overnight. And the other half would be forced to choose - shun half their friends and family or accept them for who they are ... what a wonderful dream
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  Disassociating==shunning...yes or no???

  by sadiejive in

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  i have had several here tell me that if try to disassociate yourself from the org that you will be subject to shunning.

  is this true?.

  i discussed this issue with the witnesses with whom i study.

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  NameWithheld

  You should get a ton of replies on this one but the long and short of it is - if you are announced from the platform as having DA(disassociated) yourself you WILL be shunned by all JWs - provided they know you are DA'd. If he says otherwise he is flat out lying to you. They view it the same as a person being DF(disfellowshipped). In all practicle purposes and actions, DA and DF are one and the same, the only difference being WHO initiates the 'leaving'

  DA = YOU left
  DF = THEY kick you out

  And to top it off, more JWs will shun to a large degree people even viewed as 'weak', maybe not to the point of ignoring a person as they do a DF/DA one, but they will go out of their way to avoid them.
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  I Went To The KH Yesterday Afternoon

  by TheRecordCollector in

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  i went to the kh yesterday afternoon.

  i met a friend there that i haven't seen in a while.

  she and her husband used to be regulars there until her husband died, then she moved back to california to live with her daughter.

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  NameWithheld

  I always clapped because I was glad it was over.

  LOL! Me too!
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  Poll: Successful Reactivations by Elders?

  by Room 215 in

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  hi all,.

  all my experience is that once a jw begins to question the organization, a irreversible progression sets in that leads inexorably to a total disaffection with the organization that no amount of ``shepherding'' can change.. so my question to you all is: can we document one single case in which a disgruntled ex-jw was successfully reactivated/restored to loyal dubdom?

  (my impression is that the efficacy of elders' ``shepherding calls'' is a myth, a total waste of time).

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  That's about all I could see happening, is people returning for family/freinds. In those cases I would bet they only go enough to 'get back in' then slack off. Slackers get away with it MUCH easier now than in the past since 99% of JWs are slackers now anyway.
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  WTS BUSTED AGAIN OVER TAX SUBSIDIES FOR CONVENTION

  by MadApostate in

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  i am pulling this out of the "subject" thread so more folks can see:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16702&site=3.

  big thanks to those activists who worked behind the scenes to get this story published.. this is not one of the locations that i'm personally involved with, but one where others of like mind took the bull by the horns.

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  This is rediculous and abhorant. I would be PISSED if I was a land-owner in those cities and MY tax dollars were funding a religous event. And for hotels and motels to have to PAY to have JWs come in is lower than low. I wish all the cities country wide would tell the WTBTS to fuck off. I wonder if 'new light' would then be announced that we no longer need conventions ...

  And don't you know the 'brothers' will STILL be doing the typical Sunday AM bitch and moan session about the 'shortfall' of donations to 'cover the expenses'. What a crock of shit!

  These things are popping up everywhere. Is it because the WTBTS just started trying this stuff, or is it the public becoming less tolerant of it?
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  Good news!

  by mindfield in

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  hi there... as you probably knew (not), i'm no longer a publisher.

  however, my brother, even though he never was, and only 14 years old, stills clings to the borg.

  or so i thought.. you see, only recently we went to a restaurant, and while me, my brother and 13 year old cousin were eating some good grub, our discussions fell upon *gasp* the jw's.

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  NameWithheld

  I agree - I think that the vast majority of young people in fact do not give two licks about the 'religous' aspects of JW-dom. They give it little to no thought and only attend meetings/FS due to family and freinds - and the fact that they know no other way of life.

  The bad thing about this is, if they 'leave' due to the fact that they want to do 'bad' things, or out of simple lack of interest, the religion WILL pull them back in if they do not replace it w/ something else, or at least learn the 'truth about the truth'. And this only gives more fuel to the 'there's nothing out in the world for you' argument than when a 'wayward' youth returns to the org (lots of times due to wanting their family/freinds back).

  Now is the time to plant the seeds in your brother and freinds minds that JWs are indeed full of crap. While they are yet open to it. Even if they don't care at this point.