it seems like to me the majority of people who are in the truth, are were in the truth was a result of either a family member are a friend witnessing to them and not many seem to have been found in the door to door work.. from my years of associating with the borg i cannot recall many coming in the truth from the door to door work.. how were you sucked in?
for me it was my aunt who has now even though i am not disfellowshipped decided to write me out of her will to the tune of about $150,000.00 (maybe i should hang around a couple more years)dont think i will.. please respond .
thanks.
Born and raised in it. Thanks goodness I won't die in it.
The vast majority of every JW I ever knew was a) Born in, or b) brought in by family/friends. I could count on one hand those I know were cold called at the door and came in. This out of probably 15-25 halls I was in/around.
Fred: You weren't sucked in - you just suck.
i was just thinking about this.
having been raised "in the truth" post-1975, i didn't grow up with any specific year in mind.
yes, there was the notion of "this generation will by no means pass away," but by the time i was old enough to think about that concept, the people who were born in 1914 (to stretch it out as far as possible, as the society ultimately did) were still only in their 60's.
RunningMan: And remember when the UN declared 1986 the 'year of peace and security'? (Or something similar) I remember my mother getting really worked up over that one, it was the end for sure! No doubt about it. What a shocker nothing happened. Unless it was invisible.
i was just thinking about this.
having been raised "in the truth" post-1975, i didn't grow up with any specific year in mind.
yes, there was the notion of "this generation will by no means pass away," but by the time i was old enough to think about that concept, the people who were born in 1914 (to stretch it out as far as possible, as the society ultimately did) were still only in their 60's.
I wonder if others struggle with that, too. It seemed surreal when exiting--I was going to grow old and die like everyone else. My parents studied with the JWs when I was 10, and it was the only religion I really thought about until I left 30 years later. At the age of 40 it hit me, I might just grow old and die. It didn't seem real.
I really wonder if this isn't a very large factor in why so many persist in the face of overwhelming evidence that the religon that they are involved with is a farce. I mean, if you've conditioned yourself to live life with the thought that you will never die/grow old, how can you possibly be mentaly equiped to deal with those facts of life. Once you begin to think for yourself and you realize answers to questions like is there life after death, etc aren't so cut and dry, it can be a shock to the system.
It doesn't help that the investments people make into the religion means that they are stuck in dead-end jobs with no retirement, no true friends, and surrounded by the most selfish people in the world (who won't life a finger to help their fellow humans, even those 'in the faith'). Hard to do much when you're 50-60 and have no money, massive debts, and nowhere to go.
i was just thinking about this.
having been raised "in the truth" post-1975, i didn't grow up with any specific year in mind.
yes, there was the notion of "this generation will by no means pass away," but by the time i was old enough to think about that concept, the people who were born in 1914 (to stretch it out as far as possible, as the society ultimately did) were still only in their 60's.
The whole 'it'll be before I go to school, no before I go to high school, no before I get graduate, get married, have kids, have grandkids" thing REALLY piss's me off. I've seen 3 generations waste their lives like this, and can't let it go now 'cause they're too old to make a fresh start in life (or so they think).
As for me, I always hoped the big 'A' would be latter rather then sooner as I had it pounded into my head that I was scum and no deserving of life. I had horrible secret sins such as the evil masturbation, watching R rated movies and the like. I knew from my studies that there was NO way Jah would want anything to do with me due to these thing, so I figured I was a gonner from an early age. What a way to help your mental health :)
Really I always figured it was a ways off, since the 'tribulation' had to start first, etc. But I did hold to the 'generation' thing being true, which is one of the biggest reasons I really got my eyes opened when they changed it. I simply though 'how convenient' (insert Church Lady voice :) ) when they made THAT change. It was the beginning of my real life ...
It's a big shocker though to realize you ARE going to get old and die though isn't it?
the title to this post sounds impressive, but i am not going to do to much here that is too technical, except to draw attention to the general scope of jw justice, and the shear battlefield of religious victims.
i will evaluate just the usa statistics.
many of my numbers are estimates, but i have reason to believe that they are generally representative of reality.. there are about 1,000,000 jws in the usa, in about 7,000 congregations.
Humble:
Not so humble are you? But of course, almost all JW's I know/knew are not so why should you be different. Just because the congs you serve in have had little/no 'judical' activity doesn't mean bad things are not happening. Just means you are a) ignoring them, or b) blind. Or your peeps are good at hiding their sins. Humans are humans and they are 'sinning' - you just don't know it.
Or maybe it's you? Maybe you have a bribe system going whereby peeps can buy their way out of 'judicial' actions with a bit of the green, eh? See the smear campaign can work both ways.
want to see bethelites act like greedy scavengers?
just check out the tail end of bethel family breakfast, lunch or dinners.
for those not familar with this phenomenon, gleaning was when bethelites could basically bring their tupperware dishes down and store up on the leftover meals once the family was dismissed (usually by prayer, except for the bethel dinner).
qwerty: I wasn't there for long, but trust me, it happened, and it was embarrasing. Like a stampede happening as soon as the 'amen' was uttered, if you weren't fast and pushy you were left out. Especially when the good stuff (steak, ice cream, etc) was served. It was an example of pure unadulterated greed - no doubt about it. Just another exmaple of the 'true love' cultivated by Jah's choosen people!
no pun intended!.
sister soup http://www.angelfire.com/tn2/sistersoup/ss_questionnaire.html
:D I always love these things - here was my application ...
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Date: Monday, June 25, 2001
Time: 1:29 PM EST
Submitted to: Sister Soup ( [email protected])
Subject: Sister Soup Registration Questionnaire
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required-visitor_name: Juge Rutheford
required-Preferred username: Da Judge
required-Username(s) used elsewhere: Da Judge
required-visitor_email_address: [email protected]
required-City, State, Country: Heaven
required-Congregation: The One True
required-Congregation Location: Heaven
required-Regularly attend meetings: Jesus has us over for dinner each night
required- What times do you attend meetings?: Time has no meaning here
required-Date baptized: June 15, 1912
required-Are there any congregational restrictions?: Only when I was in jail for preaching
required-Are you a regular publisher?: I direct all 800 billion hours a year
required-What should all Witnesses carry with them?: A big stick for beating up Apostates
required-What book are we studying at bookstudy?: We don't study books here
required-What is theYeartext for 2001?: We don't have yeartexts here
required-What is title of this weeks Watchtower study article ?: Since we already have all the 'new light' up here already we don't need WT's
required-What are the new auxilary and pioneer hours?: New kings & priests must go to Bethel for 2 years to watch for and punish homosexual behaviour - ever since Knorr showed up here
required-Two books currently being used at the Theocratic Ministry School: See above about the WT's - we already know all the 'new light'
required-Last article in current Kingdom Ministry?: Stay off the Internet !
required-Why is being a servant of Jehovah important to you?: When on earth I got to stay in my, oops I mean the mansion I made for Daniel, David, and the judges, but since they didn't show up in 1925 like I said they would I just stayed there anyway. Watching people shiver in my presence was always a hoot. Yelling at people was really fun too. A good cigar and a few beers each night was always nice. Now that I'm running the show up here (I kicked that wacko Pastor Russel out when I got here - can you imagine having that fruitcake running the show? I mean, that whole Pyrimed thing alone, sheesh!) things are going well. I've got 6 million weirdos who jump at my every 'new light' I send. It's fun making them beleive new things, then not beleiving it, then going back to beleiving the same thing again! What fun!
required-Are you a faithful sister in good standing?: Opps, I'm not one, but I always enjoyed their 'company' if you know what I mean!
required-How did you find Sister Soup?: Please, I know everything!
Additional comments: Not really, except that 'Real Soon Now' I'll be down their to kick everyone's ass - unless they think just like me. Which means you better fire up your cigars and start drinking more beer - cause prohabition is a tool of Satan!
thought i'd share some of the adventures.. one day we had roast beef at lunch which was one of the more delicious meals at bethel.
i used roast beef to make sandwiches for the evenings and weekends.. the rule was, you were allowed to go to any table after dismissal to take leftovers.
i was approaching a table with a full dish of roast beef when a sister rushed up and grabbed the dish and took off with it.
That is funny Joel. I see things haven't changed. It was tough not to get trampled as the hoards of tupperware totin' bros/sis's would stampede about 'gleaning' the leftovers. Kinda like standing in front of the doors of an assembly when the open in the AM and the loving bros/sis's stampede in for the 'good' seats! :D
i keep falling over the sayings of mister larouche everytime that i take a peek at you knows posts.. i decided to investigate some of his writings.
it seems to me that he has 2 bees in his bonnet, the first is that the usa is about to plunge into economical decline, the second indicates that 'lil' ole england wants to subvert the entire united states and pinch all it's wealth.. can someone give me some background on this fellow?
is he a respected sort of guy or is he a shrimp short of a seafood salad?
I was just going to say that YK should check out David Icke. Maybe YK is one of the reptile people controlling the world? Maybe YK is David Icke? :)
isaiah 30:21 is an oft quoted scripture by the watchtower.
it reads: "and your own ears will hear a word behind you saying: "this is the way.
walk in it, you people, in case you should go to the right or in case you should go to the left.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! ROTFLMOL PMP!
What a crackpot. Hmmm. Let's see. The JW's are mostly brain dead ...
And it is true that Jehovah's Witnesses greatly respect such and offer the Watchtower more-or-less unquestioning acceptance of their authority to determine for them what is God's truth. So, in a sense the Watchtower organization could be seen as an idol, in that it stands in the place of God in the hearts and minds of some, or even most, of Jehovah's so-called Witnesses.
And thus are (probably) going to die in this great 'colapse' that will happen in 1998, er 1999, err 2000, err "Real Soon Now".
So I guess once the money is all worthless and the System Ends(TM), it will just be you left huh? Since all the evil non-JW's will have been killed, as will all the evil brain-dead idol-worshipping of the FDS/Gov Body/Org JW's who didn't listen to You (Know).
Why not do us a favor and just start your own cult since You Know so much more than anyone else?
