Posts by Nanoprobe

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DEMON LIVING IN KENTUCKEY K H

by plmkrzy in

this is serious stuff.

news bullitin!

demon rumored to be living in the toilets of kentuckey k h

Nanoprobe

What actually happened at the Kentucky Kingdom Hall last night . . . . . . . . . .

Elders were busy fighting off the Toilet Demon , when surprisingly enough the local press got "wind" of the story. There on the front step was the Paduch Sun Reporter, the elders invited him in to discuss the situation. They made a deal to give him the story later if he would cover over the whole thing so as not to panic the public. (They have previous cover up experience so it was easy to negotiate) Deal done he leaves, they tape over windows, lock doors.
As they are driving off one elder says, "Wasn't that Bill Bowen in the parking lot?"
Other elder slaps his head and says, "Oh, I forgot all about Bill."

And no, Crazy151drinker, the toilet demon was not discovered by YouKnow, because if YouKnow actually got close to a toilet then he won't be so full of . . . . . well, You Know.

Edited by - nanoprobe on 25 July 2002 13:51:49

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DEMON LIVING IN KENTUCKEY K H

by plmkrzy in

this is serious stuff.

news bullitin!

demon rumored to be living in the toilets of kentuckey k h

Nanoprobe

Thankfully the elders are aware of this situation and last night taped garbage bags over the windows and locked the doors to keep IT from escaping.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33022&site=3

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Nimen hau!

by NewSense in

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friends

nimen hui bu hui jiang zhong wen?

Nanoprobe

That's really neat! But....

Don't let FRED see this POST

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JW urban legends

by berten in

in my time as jw there was at least one urban legend that was very popular.

amongst jaydubs.this was about the dog named "jehovah" by it's jw-hating owner.

so that when he got visited by them once again,he could shout "jehovah,attack!"..

Nanoprobe

Same story different twist...

two JW's who were witnessing and got to the door of a two other dudes who were actually planning to kill them with a pistol one had behind his back but when he opened the door he let them speak, he said "not interested" and let them go.

As they were leaving the JW's hear the men talking, one sais to the other "Why did'nt you kill them"? and the other one sais "Did'nt you see the huge guys standing next to them?"

In our Kingdom Hall.

One lone JW sister took the door of the SON OF SAM KILLER, later when he was arrested somehow the police realize the witness was at his door and ask him, "Why didn't you kill her"? and he says "Because of the huge guys standing next to her?"

Edited by - nanoprobe on 25 July 2002 11:35:44

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"WHAT IF...."

by Dia in

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what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

* ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

Nanoprobe

To back up the . . if we believe......

I know of five letters written to the Watchtower Service Committee in one recent case. This is not counting the letters sent to the BOE and the CO, which were forwarded to WTBS also.
I would assume other families, friends, etc would have written similar letters to WTBS. Getting your head slammed into a concrete wall in dealing with the elders provokes outrage and a cry for help (as useless as it will be)
All told it must be a mountain of mail and outrage.
I thought there was a newspaper article where Barbara Anderson referred to handling complaints on child abuse but I didnt find it. Below are a couple of comments that point in that direction. The first is by AlanF, the second is from Dateline

Barbara was a research assistant to several senior members of the Society's Writing Department, doing at times historical research, and research into complaints the Society received about its handling of child molestation and abuse of women by JW men.
She was a primary research assistant to Karl Adams for the JW history book Jehovah's Witnesses: Proclaimers of God's Kingdom
( source: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10496&site=3&page=3).

LARSON: (Voiceover) Anderson was a researcher at the Watchtower Society in the
early 1990s when a senior official there asked her to look into the church's
handling of sexual abuse cases. What she found, she says, sickened her:
hundreds of molestation cases on record, all kept secret in church
files--secret not only from the outside world, but from the members themselves,
the families, the mothers and fathers and children who trust the church is
looking out for them.

( source: Transcript NBC DATELINE )

I guessing choice #2 of your comment is correct.

Edited by - nanoprobe on 25 July 2002 12:39:24

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Judicial Hearing-Elders Afraid

by silentlambs in

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http://community.webshots.com/photo/44722558/44722772xoorvs

http://community.webshots.com/photo/44722558/44722843mbprwy

http://community.webshots.com/photo/44722558/44723017nebyfw

Nanoprobe

Idiots!

Can you imagine grown men acting like that? Well, it's now on public record for the world I hope they feel like IDIOTS

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"WHAT IF...."

by Dia in

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what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

* ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

Nanoprobe

But I guess I'm wondering if a long series of oversites and roadblocks and diversions and allowances - and irritations and frustrations (we are afterall, talking about people trying to deal with JWs) and other assorted what-nots, perhaps coupled with some real evil, some real 'money-saving' evil, might not have led us to the place where we are now.

I'm not sure I understand your comment, but I believe you are wondering how the WTBS arrived at their Child Protection Policy, is that correct?

A good question and not one any of us could actually answer, but I have a thought or two on it.

Did the WTBS have a clear understanding of Child Abuse/Molestation? The answer must be yes, based on their own Awake Child Protection articles. Articles written in the '80's

Did the WTBS have a clear indication that the two witnesses' reguired policy was a horrible travesty? Imagine the amount of letters, reports from elders and circuit overseers they must have received day after day, year after year for the last 20 years.

Did the WTBS feel can compassion, show any desire to change to help children? The answer is No, until Bill Bowen shined a light on them, and then only small small changes. Mostly just reminders of how WTBS is always right and everyone else is therefore wrong.

Edited by - nanoprobe on 24 July 2002 23:5:26

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REAL REASON JW ELDERS WON'T REPORT

by Amazing in

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friends

real reason why elders wont report .

what has been said up to now about the jw elders taking direction from the governing body to not be the worlds police and also protecting the image of the organization is all true, but only part of the root cause of the problem ... until the root cause is cured, child molesters and other criminals among jehovah's witnesses will go unreported ... and this will lead to their demise as an organization.

the root cause of the problem is this: jws, and no less the elders, believe that they are:.

Nanoprobe

Anybody who doubts Amazing's theory can read this post

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32981&page=1&site=3#435382

..What if you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the GDP and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) WHILE keeping them OFF the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

* ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', AWAY from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.

Would you do much different than what the WTS has been doing for the last many years?

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"WHAT IF...."

by Dia in

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what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

* ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

Nanoprobe

Have you given one thought to Justice for the Victims?
You need to educate yourself on the crime of child molestation. Do you think it is an accident or possibly a mistake, something like two consenting adults engaging in fornication?
Pick which one of these guys you want to defend & support in the congregation. Which one will benefit most from the elders loving care? Can you even determine which category the molester belongs in?
preferential child molester
These offenders have a sexual preference for children and usually maintain these desires throughout their lives. Preferential child molesters can have an astounding number of victims and these crimes can remain undiscovered for many years. These types of offenders wreak havoc upon society far out of proportion to their numbers.
situational child molester
He will have low self-esteem, maintain poor moral standards and view sex with children as an opportunity to prolong the violence that is already an active component of his existence.
The situational child molester will usually have few victims, sometimes only one, and never repeat the event again. He could be a social misfit or a psychopathic personality who harbors a seething resentment and hostility toward society in general.
PedophilesMany of these offenders have extensive collections of child pornography or child erotica that feed their fantasy world. He has a twisted sexual compulsion for children whose origins are separate and apart from criminality. They feel they are part of a special progressive movement and one day society will come to accept, what they see as, their sacred ritual of adult/child sex

More info: http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/3.htm

Your post is proof of Amazings theory REAL REASON WHY ELDERS WON'T REPORT http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32976&site=3

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"WHAT IF...."

by Dia in

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what if.... * ...you wanted to create a system that would 'oversee' certain criminal types to allow them to do the societally beneficial things they're capable of (holding down a job, contributing to the gdp and perhaps providing food and/or shelter for offspring and/or spouses) while keeping them off the tax roles, either as welfare recipients or expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

* ...you also wanted, without the expense of locking them up, to somehow keep them 'to themselves', away from society in general, so they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'.. would you do much different than what the wts has been doing for the last many years?.

Nanoprobe

just answering......

Oh, is that what the society has been doing?

1) The society has definitely spared governments the burden of expensive 'residents' of the criminal justice system.

2) But do you actually believe they couldn't do harm to the 'average guy'?

Two convicted molesters I know forgot to leave the average guy or the local neighbor girl alone and ended up as expensive residents of the criminal justice system. Too bad they couldnt have just followed your suggestion to continue molesting only in the local congregation, after all there they had already started a career as.. certain criminal types.

One idiot molested three little girls and stuck with the only little JW Girls policy but her unbaptized Daddy called the cops. Guess he didn't apppreciate the good work of the society.