your doctor is the best person to ask,
from experience ibrufen and an asthma pump can cause an adverse reaction, just an afterthought and not neccesarily useful info for you personally.
your doctor is the best person to ask,
from experience ibrufen and an asthma pump can cause an adverse reaction, just an afterthought and not neccesarily useful info for you personally.
i have never done it and i would not do it ever.
the reason why i am asking all of you is because i am shocked that one of my classy facebook friends admitted making prank phone calls in the past.
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begging promotional or selling calls are boring, you just ask them to hold a moment and go do summat else and leave them hanging. eventually they get bored and go bother someone else.
many on here are keen to hide their identity, me included, i don't want to be df'd and many of the views i express on here would be enough for most jc's to df me sine die.. anyone reading on here who knows me a little more than vaguely could work out who i am, my list of cars i have owned for example, on another thread.. but what could they do ?.
i know they could make a case, and then as happened to a young sister in a neighbouring congo.
say they would investigate why the bro.
to me absolutely nothing.
for you.....
depends on how zealous the elders in your area are, but unless you admit to anything theyd probably have a hard time proving anything.
as for the lady you spoke to.....prolly got the context wrong or something.
one of my friends on the other hand posted her pic and name on an ex site and they raced round to hers and dfd her even though it ad been ages since she'd stepped in a hall. i think the name and pic was the giveaway.
but not short on personality eh gadget
i have never done it and i would not do it ever.
the reason why i am asking all of you is because i am shocked that one of my classy facebook friends admitted making prank phone calls in the past.
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yup but only on people i knew , pretended to be from a water company checking water standards, had them flushing their toilets and running the taps to see if their water had turned yellow or smelt of wee.
any 'proof' or quotes or experiences one way or other.
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.......of course as the others have said disfellowshipping sounds like the person on the operationg table has no choice,
dissasociation by choice almost sounds like they have a free choice bleh
any 'proof' or quotes or experiences one way or other.
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i've just scoured the blood pages on the watchtower site,
been updated by looks of it, (cleaned up for public consumption)
anyways, you have to look very carefully to find clues on the severity of receiving a blood transfusion.
A doctor may want to provide what he thinks is the best care, but he has no duty to seek legal justification to trample on your basic rights. And since the Bible puts abstaining from blood on the same moral level as avoiding fornication, to force blood on a Christian would be the equivalent of forcible sex—rape.—Acts 15:28, 29.
and the jw punishment for fornication is..................................
i guess it has always been there but lately i have noticed it more.
in the june awake on page 9 under stress the very last paragraph says "this is not to say that if all the bible based advice provided above was applied, you would be free of stress.
the tact is, satan the devil has made those who worship god the focus of his efforts to prove that they will abandon true worship when they are put under enough stress.
**Satan the Devil has made those who worship God the focus of his efforts to prove that they will abandon true worship when they are put under enough stress. ( Revelation 12:17 ) "**
while god as usual is noticeable by his absense, i doubt satan has any more interest in a commercial publishing company masquerading as a religion than their so called god is, they both left the building long before jws were even conceived
sorry you had such a crappy time finding any support while your husband was on deaths door, at least the PO's wife had her satan scapegoat excuse for giving her all that pressure to make her late for her very important doorknocking eh!
has anyone ever felt the presence of demons in the past?a lot of jws have told me that they had or got beaten,heard voices,whispers etc.is it true?.
the closest i came was my mother beating the beejeebus outa me . she would look like what i can only describe as a woman possessed.
so i'm guessing thats probably a no :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/7335068.stm.
i dont usualy post here as everyone else does a fine job, but this subject is my pet hate!.
how is this religion still 'trading'?
just putting in the whole article on the inquest result in case anyone wants to look it up another time
A Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing a blood transfusion following childbirth had told a midwife she would happily die now she had her children, an inquest heard yesterday.
Emma Gough, 22, gave birth to a healthy boy and girl and was taken to a recovery ward where she was able to breastfeed the twins.
But the inquest heard she developed a "huge" blood clot leaving her in severe pain.
Emma Gough, with husband Anthony, lost more than four pints of blood after developing a 'huge' clot shortly after delivering healthy twins
She was taken into an operating theatre for an exploratory procedure to remove the clot and find the source of bleeding.
Midwife Kelly Roberts told how, before the operation, Mrs Gough had alluded to the restrictions placed upon her by her faith - which dictates that certain Bible passages explicitly prevent followers from receiving blood transfusions.
The midwife said: "Emma stated to me that she was happy whatever happened to her, even if she died, as she had had her babies."
Registrar Dr Lucy Turner told the inquest she had twice asked Mrs Gough if, in a "life and death situation", she would accept a blood transfusion, and each time the Jehovah's Witness said "no".
Dr Turner, who delivered the twins, said Mrs Gough was "rational, clear and coherent".
The inquest had previously heard that Olufunso Oyesanya, the consultant gynaecologist on duty at the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital, had, along with other staff, repeatedly pleaded with Mrs Gough, her husband Anthony, 24, and her parents to overrule an "advance directive" signed by the patient which barred
a blood transfusion.
He said Mrs Gough had been aware of the risks of haemorrhaging after giving birth and had signed the directive after a "long discussion" with other hospital staff earlier in her pregnancy.
Mr Oyesanya said: "She knew of the risk of haemorrhage and that a blood transfusion could be lifesaving.
"I formed the impression we could have corrected the blood loss by transfusion but she would not accept a blood transfusion."
Mrs Gough, of Telford, Shropshire, died the day after the operation to remove the clot last October.
Mr Oyesanya told the hearing in Shrewsbury that hours after Mrs Gough's death he had spoken to her mother, Glenda Delaney, who is also a Jehovah's Witness.
Mrs Delaney told him her daughter had "remained faithful to her God".
An expert witness who produced a report on Mrs Gough's treatment on behalf of the Medical Protection Society, representing Dr Turner, told the inquest Mrs Gough's care had been "acceptable and defendable".
James Walker, a professor of obstetric gynaecology at St James's University Hospital in Leeds, concluded: "Mr Oyesanya managed to stop the flow of blood and a blood transfusion would have allowed Mrs Gough to recover."
He said clots caused by blood vessels rupturing from stress placed on them by childbirth were a "natural occurrence" affecting around one in 2,000 deliveries.
Coroner John Ellery recorded a narrative verdict that Mrs Gough died of severe anaemia caused by complications of birth and said that if she had accepted a blood transfusion "in all probability" she would have survived.
She received "appropriate medical care and treatment".
After the inquest, Mrs Gough's family refused to comment.
A spokesman for Shrewsbury and Telford Hospital NHS Trust said: "These were tragic and unusual circumstances and our deepest sympathies are with Emma's family."