Posts by XBEHERE

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BETHEL SERVICE DESKS

by badboy in

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any stories to tell about them.

XBEHERE

I've called the service dept .a few times. They really don't help you. In fact on more than one occasion the brother was downright rude and condescending.

I remember I was asking if it was permissable for pioneers to count time for certain things done for elders and I said that I looked and looked but didnt find any reference for it. He then says "you want to know why you didnt find a reference? Because there isnt one, they CAN'T do that" I was taken aback and said thank you and hung up. I wasn't an "apostate" at the time so I shrugged it off that he had a bad day I guess. A**hole! I have other stories but it would definitely expose who I am.....suffice it to say that most times the brothers in service are dicks.

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Did You Personally Know of Sex Offenders In The Congregation?

by minimus in

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i knew of 1 person that should've been reported to the authorities for fooling around with his sisters when he was an older teen and they were much younger.

it was hushed up by the elders, as this was considered a very prominent family.

the allegations were made probably 20 years ago, well before i was ever in that hall.

XBEHERE

There was never a reaction from the elders,nothing at all. Not even the other members of the cong talked to us about it. I was a fairly good dub in those days but this made me wonder,why no reaction at all?Why don´t they warn parents when a man like uncle L comes to a new hall-why would this sister be in trouble if they found out she had told me about him?

Because the elders aren't allowed to say anything or warn anyone, it would be considered a breach of confidentiality. I knew of one in my cong. and we were warned by an elders wife before deciding to move to the cong. I decided that we would still go and if this individual so much as looked too long at my kids I would follow him home from a meeting one day and kick his ass.

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Will the Real Estate Crash Affect the Watchtower?

by WTWizard in

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i have heard about all the money that the watchtower society stands to make on all its real estate holdings.

and that's bad news.

with donations going down and lawsuits going up, and the need in nigeria, they are going to need all the money from the real estate that they can get.. there is good news to this, though it may come with a price if you are selling a house.

XBEHERE

Doesn't really matter since they will essentially be a "paper" loss since WT bought many of those properties either dirt cheap in the 70's and 80's or back on the early 1900's. Note excerpt from NYPost Article:

"That year, they sold their former book plant at 360 Furman St. for $205 million - more than 50 times the $3.9 million they paid for the 14-story building in 1983, according to records"

So even the Real Estate market is going down it will never dip below what they unitially paid for the prime real estate. Besides Brooklyn Hts is a VERY desireable area to live in so I doubt it would drop that low.

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WT Stands to Make Millions on Properties

by XBEHERE in

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not sure if anyone posted this yet.

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/05142007/news/regionalnews/the_land_lord_regionalnews_rich_calder.htm.

XBEHERE

Not sure if anyone posted this yet.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05142007/news/regionalnews/the_land_lord_regionalnews_rich_calder.htm

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Spiderman 3 (Spoilers, do not read unless you want the movie ruined)

by free2beme in

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i went and saw spiderman 3 this last weekend and wondered what others thought of it.

i liked it, but felt there was a lot less storyline covered, which seems to be the problem with all of marvels third installments (x3).

i wished it could have had more time with venom, and not the quick battle at the end, that ended all to quick.

XBEHERE

Sandman becomes an invincible sand monster, he just stops fighting the police and then comes up and apologizes to Spidey. WTF??? "Oh, I'm sorry bro, here, let's hug."

I agree with the above assessment...it was like the superfriends at the end. Everyone was crying and forgiving.

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We were singing this song at the memorial and it hit me...

by XBEHERE in

*** ssb song 105 hail jehovahs firstborn!

1. lets hail jehovahs firstborn.

made known jehovahs worth.. .

XBEHERE

*** Ssb song 105 Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn! ***

1. Let’s hail Jehovah’s Firstborn

—God’s Heir he has been made—

Who since he was created,

His Father’s voice obeyed.

He made all things existing

In heaven and on earth,

And he, as God’s own Spokesman,

made known Jehovah’s worth.

"He made all things existing.." This is obviously taken from this verse:

(Colossians 1:16) 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.

So why is the [other] left out in the song book? Harder to sing I guess?? By the way the brackets mean that they added that, it wasnt in the original writings.

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Can a brother buy his way eldership ?

by KAYTEE in

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can brothers buy their way to stardom (eldership) .

have you known anyone who got to being an elder because of his financial status or by having a broker working for him.. i knew a brother who had been out of the borg for many years, who on his return purchased a carpet for the kingdom hall.. this must have prompted the elders to see his spiritual qualities, because soon after he progressed up the so called ladder, to arrive at a "glorious elder".. have you come across this sort of thing?.

kt.

XBEHERE

When appointments come around they like to promote friends

I find this to be more important than money in many cases. The elders will try not to promote someone they feel will not tow the company line or agree with the particular mood of that body. It is true friends are often made via money or flaunting of their lifestyle...i.e. hosting gatherings where classy food and drink run aplenty where elders are always invited, but that person still may not be appointed if the PO and other prominent elders dont see eye to eye with him. Unless of course the CO likes him then he'll be shoved down the elders throats and likely be made PO or Secretary or SO eventually.

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Can a brother buy his way eldership ?

by KAYTEE in

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can brothers buy their way to stardom (eldership) .

have you known anyone who got to being an elder because of his financial status or by having a broker working for him.. i knew a brother who had been out of the borg for many years, who on his return purchased a carpet for the kingdom hall.. this must have prompted the elders to see his spiritual qualities, because soon after he progressed up the so called ladder, to arrive at a "glorious elder".. have you come across this sort of thing?.

kt.

XBEHERE

It happens I'm sure but I still wouldn't call it the norm since there are some dillusional elders who still think its a spirit directed appointment. In other words the men that qualify must still go out in service on both Sat and Sun and go to all the meetings and have an "exemplary" family if he has one.

Men mostly get "promoted" in the WT via kissing influnetial elders and CO's asses on a regular basis. With the CO I'm fairly certain that money is involved

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What Excuses Did You Use To Get Out Of Meetings & Service?

by minimus in

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most persons that i knew used either sickness or work as an excuse.......what about you??

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XBEHERE

I use working late quite often. Instead of working I'd play Age of Empires III with co-workers. So much fun! Its spring so I suspect a lot of allergy issues coming up too.

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Ray Franz Comments on Y.M.C.A.

by compound complex in

ray franz states that, according to governing body decisions on matters of faith, fault found with certain of a religion's teachings makes said faith, in its totality, unacceptable to god.

therefore one's association in that religion renders one unclean.

as a consequence, a jehovah's witness would be disfellowshiped for joining the y.m.c.a.

XBEHERE

I think that Ray Franz sincerely thought that changes could be made in the organization.

Pahpa this is what I meant by technically in while disagreeing with the WTS. My point was people think he championed the great apostasy and left the org but in reality he was thrown out! I guess he eventually would've left on his own but he did not leave he was DF. Some who post here have had much more dramatic exits. I read both Ray's books and his low key exit from Bethel fits with the humble, quiet, non resentful attitude he showed in the books.