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  Proof of adultery no longer needed to be spiritually free to remarry

  by WuzLovesDubs in

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  2. friends

  so this is what my soon to be ex says to me today...the same person who is courting wooing and flirting with a sister and has been for a very long time even way before i told him i wanted a divorce.

  he tells me that they "dont spy on people any more to get proof" that my just telling him i did or him telling the elders that i did is "sufficient" for him to be free.

  he also said hes not allowed to talk to said sister any more because she is "spiritually free" but not divorced yet!

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  XBEHERE

  F rom new flock book, sorry I dont know how to paste properly.

  10. Scriptural freedom to remarry requires three

  conditions:

  por-nei'a;

  a rejection (refusal to reconcile)

  by the innocent mate; and a legal, final divorce.

  -Matt. 5:31, 32; 19:9; Heb. 13:4.

  11. If a dedicated Christian who accuses his believing

  mate of adultery and

  wishes to establish

  freedom to divorce and remarry

  approaches an

  elder, the matter should be referred to the body of elders.

  The accuser is not free unless the evidence establishing

  wrongdoing is sufficient to warrant the

  formation of a judicial committee. (Deut. 19:15; John

  8:17) If the accused mate is associated with another

  congregation, the evidence should be presented to

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  "Shepherd the Flock

  o f God”~ l Peter 5:2

  the elders of that congregation for review and a determination.

  The publisher should be advised

  that he

  is

  not to view himself as Scripturally free until the

  elders

  have investigated

  and guilt is

  established.

  12. In some cases adultery is not proved, but it is

  established by confession or by two or more witnesses

  that the mate stayed

  all night

  in the same house

  with a person of the opposite sex (or a known homosexual)

  under improper circumstances.

  The elders

  should carefully consider the situation. Were the individuals

  together

  all night? Were improper

  circumstances
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  Proof of adultery no longer needed to be spiritually free to remarry

  by WuzLovesDubs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so this is what my soon to be ex says to me today...the same person who is courting wooing and flirting with a sister and has been for a very long time even way before i told him i wanted a divorce.

  he tells me that they "dont spy on people any more to get proof" that my just telling him i did or him telling the elders that i did is "sufficient" for him to be free.

  he also said hes not allowed to talk to said sister any more because she is "spiritually free" but not divorced yet!

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  if he confesses to pornea with someone else then they will accept that, thats all they need acording to current standards. He can't just accuse you and be free if you deny it, they will not allow that since there is no proof. It will be a tricky situation and can cause many problems for the elders for sure. Bottom line is they need to have proof either by confession or witnesses.
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  Umm Hi

  by Killa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i have something interesting to share.. i am a jehovah's witness.

  i have been in the truth for 26 years of my life.

  as a young boy i deeply loved the truth.

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  XBEHERE

  Interesting story, welcome to the board. I am also an active elder who was on a similar course as you about 12-15 years ago. Assembly parts, pioneer with wife, CO's pet, etc. Of course I didn't have the emotional issues that you seem to have based on your comments.

  I started turning down things theocratically when I realized that many elders are in it for themselves, for their own glory, it was all a game of politics and I was an ass kisser. Not wanting to be an ass kisser I said f*ck it and told the CO's to piss off. I was labeled as a "bad attitude" I was stripped of being the PO in my congregation, stripped of being in the "know", and was forgotten. Which was fine for me because by then I had decided that there was something up with this religion. Then about 10 yrs ago I realized that this org allows children to be raped and it is covered up. That was it for me emotionally.

  Anyway, sorry for hijacking your thread. I wish you the best in your endeavours. Stay here, go up to you.
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  Absalom prefigured young JWs who fist bump, play video games, and take pictures of themselves with the opposite sex

  by JimmyPage in

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  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses top the list in not being able to hold on to their younger members.

  so what do they do to combat this?

  do they go out of their way to change things to keep the next generation, their only real hope of long run survival?

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  At our meeting the conductor focused a lot on that picture. He said it was so beautifully illustrated that the freedom the world has really isnt "true" and that Jehovah lovingly provides us spiritual food like this so we can see the difference between what he offers and what the world offers...
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  Meeting attendance

  by DATA-DOG in

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  Attendance is down in my congregation. We are at maybe 75-80% for weeknight and 80-90% for Sunday. CO is always claiming that we are low in the circuit but when I go to give talks out that doesn't seem to be the case.
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  If The JW Religion Wasn't So Strict Would You Be Against It As Much As You Are?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i don't think i'd be so involved in making the truth be known if they weren't so extreme.. only when it affects our quality of life and our family and friendships, do i feel the need to tell others of what i know to be true about the religion.. what about you?.

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  If they relaxed their stance on disfellowshipping a lot and allowed birthdays, thanksgiving, mothers and fathers day I would stay in.

  Oh and a paid clergy, unpaid clergy is just plain stupid. Half the elders are ass kissing idiots who don't give a shit, and the other half are beaten down by that half. To endure that for free is insanity.
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  What Did You Do As A Witness That Could Have Gotten You Into Trouble Had The Elders Ever Known About It?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my elder buddy and i would frequent strip clubs when we wanted to.. a few friends knew i enjoyed clubbing and music concerts and i seldom ever spoke of my private social life to others.. i know many jws, including elders, that drank excessively but that wasn't considered too big a deal..

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  XBEHERE

  excessive drinking, reading Crisis of Conscience, reading In Search of Christian Freedom, lying on my precious ministry reports, rated R movies, violent video games, getting oral in high school (not yet baptized). I could go on but it becomes redundant
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  GB requirements

  by Scarlouie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has the requirements to be a gb member changed over the last 20 years.

  i was last a jw in the 80's and at that time i thought you had to be able to remember 1914?

  is my memory bad or was this a doctrine change?.

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  Hasn't changed that I know of... who can give the best colonoscpoy to current GB members with their tongues.
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  Are they asking for it?

  by Hermano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after reading throught bluepill2's thread on the wts asl masturbation video, i wonder, are they doing this on purpose?

  are they somehow hoping some of this stuff goes viral to garner attention?

  are they counting on a public backlash so they can claim persecution?

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  XBEHERE

  I was at Bethel and yes most people who stay there longer than 5 yrs become out of touch with the real world. They seriously forget what its like to work, pay bills, shop for and cook your own food. They can't relate anymore to what happens in the real world and the result is bator and sparlock videos.
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  Watchtower honors Jehovah's Witness Elders responsible for Candice Conti and Menlo Park Fiascos

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this weekend was the convention for the southern san francisco bay area.

  it was held at the santa clara convention center in the silicon valley http://www.santaclara.org/conventioncenter/ which is an improvement over the old s.f.

  cow palace which is still used..just not as much.

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  XBEHERE

  Those parts are almost always assigned to the best asskissers in the circuit/district. Since they stood up to take it in the ass for the WTB&TS they were rewarded. Assembly and convention parts are normally assigned depending on if the person spits or swallows.