I do not like to discuss politics but I agree, tired of people putting the man down. The fact is that they all fk up, his race has absolutely nothing to do with it. Everyone had something to complain about each president. Really who gives a shit, its not like the president really controls the government anyway.
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I get so tired of people complaining about everything President Obama says or does
by booker-t infor the past 4 1/2 years i have heard everything said about president obama and now the lastest "obama being the anti-christ" just have me laughing my head off.
where do people get nonsense like this?
do they just sit around the kitchen table and say "what are we going to say next about obama and michelle?
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I just want a divorce!
by bornfree123 inhi there, this is my first post, but i've been buzzing around this site for years.. i got married at 18, hubby was 20, i was a regular pioneer and we were talking about serving in bethel.
fast forward - i left in 2004 after a 5 year battle with my conscience, family and friends who kept insisting that i was just "weak and needed to have another bible study".
however hubby and i stayed together although it was kinda on the understanding that we would just not talk about it.
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Although he might get some temporary heat from the elders, he is allowed to divorce simply based on what has happened. Then he would not be "scripturally" free according to their rules
If one of the marriage mates did not commit porniea with someone else or an animal (yes that is in the elders manual) then no matter what, there is no scriptural divorce period. Meaning neither one can be appointed to any "special" privleges (hurts the men more than the woman). Also if either decide to start dating someone else they will get spoken to. If they persist after several warnings then a "marking" talk will be given. If the person decides to get married again then they are marked as bad associates but no judicial action would be taken and the other mate is only then scripturally free.
The odd thing about this whole, convoluted, bull shit of a situation is that if these 2 ex marriage mates who are labled as still "scripturally" married decide to have sex again with each other then they are before a committee for fornication. Now thats quite the head scratcher, never could rationalize that one.
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Higher Education
by XBEHERE inwe have co visit this week.
its official, after months and months of college bashing including but not limited to the wonderful jeremiah book the co's are hitting it hard with their talks now.
same as the jeremiah book, higher education sucks and worldy people suck.
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The Watchtower Society has always (since the 1920's) been negative about higher education. Now the 'policy' is that one can earn a two-year/Associates degree, certification or specialized short-term training without negative repercussions. Persons who promote higher education in the congregation risk being removed as elders, ministerial servants and pioneers (March 6, 2012 letter to all bodies of elders in the United States).
I read that letter and yes you are correct. However I disagree that its ALWAYS been the policy. Others can recall too that back in the mid 90's they seemed to lighten up on it. It was in the Watchtower no clue which article sorry. My point is that they really have tightened back down on it. Perhaps our area os becoming known for it and thats why our CO hit hard on it.
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More wisdom from the " Jeremiah " book!!!!!!
by DATA-DOG in"they will certainly feed you" chapter 12 :.
12) unlike those false shepherds, christian overseers study and imitate jesus' example........ but if you serve as an elder, are you firmly convinced that your instruction can be beneficial and true, reflecting knowledge and insight, only when you base it on god's word and direction from the faithful and discreet slave class?
if you sense that you are not as involved in a personal study program as you were previously, what will you do so that you can continue to be different from the false shepherds of jeremiah's day?.........in his day, jeremiah saw the need for the spiritual healing of his people.
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Pure boolsheet.
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During Your IN Years If You Had Anointed At Your Hall, What Were They Like?
by LoisLane looking for Superman inthe scoop of humanity at one khall, the anointed ones" were a mixed group.. one bro, h. had been in for eons.
he was df for adultery, back in the day when they would announce your sin openly from the platform to everyone.
he just kept on coming and partaking until he was reinstated.
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Disclaimer: I am not promoting evengelical christianity, Jesus as god, etc. etc. I am merely submitting an opinion
I think that those JWs who profess to be annointed are in the same category mentally and emotionally as born again christians...along with the JW baggage. What I mean is that they act weird because they believe certain things about themselves (which I believe the bible clearly teaches) but can't justify the belief that they are the only ones deserving of going to heaven aside from what the Watchtower teaches. This causes them to become highly, well, weird for lack of a better term.
Also because other JWs put them up on a pedstal the feel that they must put on a front that they are vastly informed of bible truth and doctrine. I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. The ones I have known throughout my life have been odd ducks.
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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...
by sosoconfused inso i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.
nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.
his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.
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The elders will be pulverised by the branch office when they hear about this
I agree. This doesnt sound right, I know the JWs suck but they do have certain rules they have to abide by and I do not recall this ever being done. The branch will ream these elders for ruining a marriage. I am sure this guy has a plan on the side to marry someone else because he isn't satisfied with her for some reason. Any of his relatives on the body of elders?
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Higher Education
by XBEHERE inwe have co visit this week.
its official, after months and months of college bashing including but not limited to the wonderful jeremiah book the co's are hitting it hard with their talks now.
same as the jeremiah book, higher education sucks and worldy people suck.
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We have CO Visit this week. Its official, after months and months of college bashing including but not limited to the wonderful Jeremiah book the CO's are hitting it hard with their talks now. Same as the Jeremiah book, higher education sucks and worldy people suck. He outright said that higher education was a waste of youth...a youth that could be spent putting "kingdumb interests first" He also gave some statistic mysteriously out of nowhere that said "in lands where higher education is promoted even among christians (jw's) meeting attendance is down"
So these 2 areas are what the F&DS i.e. GB are noticing:
1. More JWs are attending college's or universities
2. More JWs are starting to develop worldy friendships
Both things are a danger to their stranglehold on the masses
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calling all elders - what goes on at the week long elders school?
by not bitter inmy dad is currently attending a week long elders school.
dad is in his 70's and not in great health at the moment so this is adding to my anger that he is having to leave the house at 7am and doesn't return until 6pm and then has to lock himself away to study further in preparation for the next day.. he has also been told he is not to discuss anything about the school with other elders until they have all attended.
what are they learning about that isnt' already out there for all to read anyway.. they can't be learning more bible stuff as the bible is there to be read by the general public so i can only assume that its all top secret stuff that the rest of the congregation can't know about.
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Well unlike some here who went to elder schools in the 70's-80's the more very recent week long schools focus on the spirituality of the elders themselves (their words not mine).
I am sure back in the day they focused more on the actual roles of elders being that the arrangement as we know it today just started. Add to that the "Apostate" witch hunts of the 80's. By the time I started to serve in the 1990's it must have been toned down. The regular 2 1/2 day Km schools still focus on the Flock book and how to handle wrong doing, etc. but this passed 1 week long one was different. I mean it was still a waste of time, just not as bad at least to me.
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calling all elders - what goes on at the week long elders school?
by not bitter inmy dad is currently attending a week long elders school.
dad is in his 70's and not in great health at the moment so this is adding to my anger that he is having to leave the house at 7am and doesn't return until 6pm and then has to lock himself away to study further in preparation for the next day.. he has also been told he is not to discuss anything about the school with other elders until they have all attended.
what are they learning about that isnt' already out there for all to read anyway.. they can't be learning more bible stuff as the bible is there to be read by the general public so i can only assume that its all top secret stuff that the rest of the congregation can't know about.
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The one I went to last year did not go too deep into roles of each elder, judicial procedures, etc. It was different, dare I say it, more bible educative....
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What the heck is a Bethel Elder?
by Julia Orwell inhow is he different to a normal elder?
is he ranked higher than a normal elder?
what does he actually do?.
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Done away with circa late 90's? ?