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  Can a brother buy his way eldership ?

  by KAYTEE in

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  can brothers buy their way to stardom (eldership) .

  have you known anyone who got to being an elder because of his financial status or by having a broker working for him.. i knew a brother who had been out of the borg for many years, who on his return purchased a carpet for the kingdom hall.. this must have prompted the elders to see his spiritual qualities, because soon after he progressed up the so called ladder, to arrive at a "glorious elder".. have you come across this sort of thing?.

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  When appointments come around they like to promote friends

  I find this to be more important than money in many cases. The elders will try not to promote someone they feel will not tow the company line or agree with the particular mood of that body. It is true friends are often made via money or flaunting of their lifestyle...i.e. hosting gatherings where classy food and drink run aplenty where elders are always invited, but that person still may not be appointed if the PO and other prominent elders dont see eye to eye with him. Unless of course the CO likes him then he'll be shoved down the elders throats and likely be made PO or Secretary or SO eventually.
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  Can a brother buy his way eldership ?

  by KAYTEE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can brothers buy their way to stardom (eldership) .

  have you known anyone who got to being an elder because of his financial status or by having a broker working for him.. i knew a brother who had been out of the borg for many years, who on his return purchased a carpet for the kingdom hall.. this must have prompted the elders to see his spiritual qualities, because soon after he progressed up the so called ladder, to arrive at a "glorious elder".. have you come across this sort of thing?.

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  XBEHERE

  It happens I'm sure but I still wouldn't call it the norm since there are some dillusional elders who still think its a spirit directed appointment. In other words the men that qualify must still go out in service on both Sat and Sun and go to all the meetings and have an "exemplary" family if he has one.

  Men mostly get "promoted" in the WT via kissing influnetial elders and CO's asses on a regular basis. With the CO I'm fairly certain that money is involved
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  What Excuses Did You Use To Get Out Of Meetings & Service?

  by minimus in

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  most persons that i knew used either sickness or work as an excuse.......what about you??

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  XBEHERE

  I use working late quite often. Instead of working I'd play Age of Empires III with co-workers. So much fun! Its spring so I suspect a lot of allergy issues coming up too.
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  Ray Franz Comments on Y.M.C.A.

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
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  ray franz states that, according to governing body decisions on matters of faith, fault found with certain of a religion's teachings makes said faith, in its totality, unacceptable to god.

  therefore one's association in that religion renders one unclean.

  as a consequence, a jehovah's witness would be disfellowshiped for joining the y.m.c.a.

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  XBEHERE

  I think that Ray Franz sincerely thought that changes could be made in the organization.

  Pahpa this is what I meant by technically in while disagreeing with the WTS. My point was people think he championed the great apostasy and left the org but in reality he was thrown out! I guess he eventually would've left on his own but he did not leave he was DF. Some who post here have had much more dramatic exits. I read both Ray's books and his low key exit from Bethel fits with the humble, quiet, non resentful attitude he showed in the books.
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  Ray Franz Comments on Y.M.C.A.

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ray franz states that, according to governing body decisions on matters of faith, fault found with certain of a religion's teachings makes said faith, in its totality, unacceptable to god.

  therefore one's association in that religion renders one unclean.

  as a consequence, a jehovah's witness would be disfellowshiped for joining the y.m.c.a.

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  He doesn't expect JWs to stay in the Borg and wait on God...his example is proof of that.

  I am not in any way critisizing Raymond Franz but Blondie said the above. However, Isn't it true though that he did not leave the org but was basically spyed upon by the GB and dismissed from Bethel, then disfellowshipped for eating with his boss? Who's to say how long he would have been "technically" a JW while still having feelings that the org is wrong.
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  Whats the strangest thing you've seen someone get in trouble for?

  by LaniB in

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  i remember one windy summer day, after a meeting on sunday morning, i walked out of the hall behind a sister who was part of the church congregation with her two teenage children.

  her husband did not attend.

  the wind caught her dress unexpectedly and blew it up a'la marilyn monroe and revealed that she was wearing (shock, horror) french knickers...... there were a few murmers behind me which i at the time put down to things like "oh poor girl, so embarrassing".

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  Star Wars promotes the occult (the Force and whatnot).

  What blasphemy.... that elder should've been taken out and shot in the back of the head for that comment.
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  A shrinking Congregation

  by DevonMcBride in

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  i drove by the kingdom hall tonight and saw only 12 cars parked in the lot.

  five years ago there would have been at least 30.

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  I would imagine that it depends on the area of the U.S. or other country you are in but here my area of the U.S. the young ones are leaving in droves...not getting baptized, getting df or just simply moving to a cheaper area and disappearing off the JW radar.

  The other english congregation that meets with us in the same hall is suffering severely, their TMS and Service meeting looks like a bookstudy. From what old timers in my cong say before the 2 split about 20 yrs ago the attendance used to be over 150 every single meeting and some sundays almost 200. Watchtower's waters are drying up particularly in the english speaking field here in the U.S.
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  Are elders what they used to be?

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a young and idealistic elder - the attitude that was stressed continually was this one :.

  christiangreatnesscomesfromserving.

  "among you, whoever wants to be great must be your servant."matt.

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  XBEHERE

  Having been the wife of an elder, I know how much stress is put upon these men to sometimes go against their conscience. It really is a "good old boys club" and you must adjust your thinking to theirs to fit in. To step aside takes great humility because the gossip starts in full force and you are immediately treated as a lesser person.

  This is exactly it in a nutshell. Once you stop "adjusting your thinking and going against your own conscience" that is when the pestering starts like in my case.

  "How are you?" "We missed you at the last meeting" PO: "Do you think we could meet and talk with you for a few minutes?" "We noticed..you seem stressed out lately"

  I have made a concession recently to start to go more regularly to the meetings again w/ the wife but I am done playing games with the other elders and she understands this. She knows my stepping aside/deletion isn't far away. Maybe when she sees how I am treated afterwards she'll finally see how unloving and unchristlike these people really are and leave with me.
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  Are elders what they used to be?

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a young and idealistic elder - the attitude that was stressed continually was this one :.

  christiangreatnesscomesfromserving.

  "among you, whoever wants to be great must be your servant."matt.

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  XBEHERE

  Most of the elders now suck. many are power hungry, insecure, petty, unloving, etc, etc. There was a time where elders were reccomended based on what the bible said now its more who you know and who's big fat ass you kiss.
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  Just how honest are you?

  by ButtLight in

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  lets say you go throught the bank drive through, and cash a check.

  they give you an extra hundred bucks.........would you tell them?

  (i have to admit, i didnt, and felt guilty).

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  XBEHERE

  I once went to a local deli here and ordered lunch, gave the nasty owner/cashier a $10 and she gave me back change for a $20. I admit that because I didnt like the way she yelled at her migrant (mexican most likely) staff I walked away. I felt a little guilty but not that much since I didnt care for her. I would not deliberately cheat someone though.