I'm very surprised to hear that masturbation was a reason for forming a JC. I always understood that it could result in loss of privileges, but not disfellowshipping (and therefore, by extension, not reproof either). You have to wonder why ALL the teenagers didn't get df'ed.
NeonMadman
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Elders and former elders: Judicial cases how often?
by A question inhow many judicial cases did you serve on, in how many years as an elder?
feel free to talk about the cases too..
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Elders and former elders: Judicial cases how often?
by A question inhow many judicial cases did you serve on, in how many years as an elder?
feel free to talk about the cases too..
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NeonMadman
We had 3 committees for people looking at porn. Two were for masturbators who felt guilty. Foul Language, drinking and marijuana. Smoking the list goes on.
They form JCs for people who masturbate?
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Why do they call it the New World Translation?
by Tameria2001 indoes anyone know why the watchtower named their bible the new world translation of the holy scriptures?
it's been awhile since i have even had any of their books in my home, and most of the time i don't think about it.
i don't know why, but when i think of that title, the phrase new world order keeps popping up in my mind..
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NeonMadman
Isn't David Icke the guy who says that most of the major world leaders are actually reptile people from outer space in disguise, or something like that?
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Apostacy a one way street?
by zound indo you know anyone who has 'awakened' that went back to 'sleep'?.
i'm not talking about concious class, but someone who somehow got suckered back into the wts little game.. (i for one could never ever ever ever ever return - but interested if you've heard of people that have).
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NeonMadman
How do you go back to being scared of the Wizard of Oz after seeing the man behind the curtain?
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Why do they call it the New World Translation?
by Tameria2001 indoes anyone know why the watchtower named their bible the new world translation of the holy scriptures?
it's been awhile since i have even had any of their books in my home, and most of the time i don't think about it.
i don't know why, but when i think of that title, the phrase new world order keeps popping up in my mind..
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NeonMadman
Maybe they just could have called it, "I Can't Believe It's Not a Bible."
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I was reading an "old" Watchtower mag and the "overlapping" generation was hinted at with President Knorr from a QFR
by booker-t ini was flipping through an old volume of the wt mag from 1952 and a qfr was asked about "this generation" from matthew and the author actually mentioned "overlapping" generations.
i was surprised but it dawned on me that pres knorr toyed with this explaination 60 yrs ago so the new light is really partially "old light" from the 50s.
the sept 1 1952 qfr ask "your publications point out that the battle of armaggeddon will come in this generation and that this generation began ad 1914, scriptually, how long is a generation?
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NeonMadman
The Watchtower's doctrine of the overlapping generation is based on a fallacy of equivocation. There are two different uses of the word "generation." One refers to all the children of a particular set of parents. If a couple continues to have children into middle age, you might have a situation where one sibling is 25 years older then the other. Nonetheless, in this use of the term, they are of the same "generation." If the older sibling has a child the same age as the younger one, the younger sibling and the niece/nephew would be part of different "generations" in this sense of the term, even though they are the same age, since the niece/nephew would actually be the grandchild of the original couple. This is the sense in which the word is used in Exodus 1:6, with reference to Joseph, his brothers and "all that generation."
However, there is another, somewhat looser use of the term. We may speak of, for example, the World War II generation, meaning all the people who were alive at the time of the war, irrespective of their position in any particular geneaology. When Jesus spoke of "this generation" in Matthew 24:34, it seems obvious to me that he was using the term in this latter sense. He was speaking to the people who were standing there listening to him, regardless of their age or ancestry. Those people, the ones alive right then, were the ones of whom some, at least, would live to see Jerusalem's destruction in the year 70 A.D. They might have been 10 years old when Jesus spoke, or they might have been 40. There might have been grandparents present with their grandchildren listening to Jesus. Nonetheless, they were part of "this generation" in the second sense of the term.
By conflating the two senses of the word, the Watchtower has very cleverly created a fallacious basis for its doctrine of an "overlapping generation" that is not obvious on first reading.
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Why do they call it the New World Translation?
by Tameria2001 indoes anyone know why the watchtower named their bible the new world translation of the holy scriptures?
it's been awhile since i have even had any of their books in my home, and most of the time i don't think about it.
i don't know why, but when i think of that title, the phrase new world order keeps popping up in my mind..
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NeonMadman
Witnesses nowadays refer a lot to the "new system," which is itself a phrase adapted from the NWT. In the 1950s, they spoke often of the "New World" and referred to themselves as the "New World Society." It wasn't much of a stretch to call their Bible the New World Translation.
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Mouthy Grace is not well. Please send love.
by return of parakeet inin another thread, mouthy said she was "not well" and mentioned "kicking the bucket.
i believe she needs some encouragement and well wishes.. mouthy, you don't need to respond to this thread if you don't feel up to it.
just consider it an exceptionally long get-well card..
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NeonMadman
Get better quick, Grace! You said you would be at WNFJ this year; I've been counting on seeing you there!!!
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I wanted to punch this elder so bad!
by OneDayillBeFree inso i decided to attend the meeting last.
since i haven't gone in about 2 weeks, and i leave as soon as it ends, and elder decided to corner me at the end.
lately i've been through some very depressing family issues that are non-jw related so i haven't been my best at acting like i care about the org.
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NeonMadman
Reminds me of the time an elder told me that I shouldn't keep an open mind, because "an open mind is like an open sewer; you get all kinds of garbage in there."
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My friend, "Warrior," has a question on Matthew 28:20
by compound complex ingood morning!.
"warrior" and i had an 8-hour visit yesterday centering around many of the issues discussed by jwn members.
one point we talked about was jesus' instruction to make disciples, baptize them and observe all that he has commanded us.. does a christian, therefore, need conduct his life solely on what jesus literally said, i.e., teachings contained in the four gospels?.
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NeonMadman
Why don't JW's wash each others feet. Their excuse is that we don't walk with sandals on dusty roads anymore. But that misses the point of instituting a ritual. A ritual is intended to be repeated so that the lesson becomes more than just a nice thought blazing through the brain.
The thing is, many people (not just JWs) do not read this text as Jesus instituting a ritual, but as his providing an example of humble service that might be expressed differently in different circumstances. In a desert environment where people wear sandals, it might be expressed as washing of feet. In modern society, it might appear as offering a cold drink or coffee or tea to someone who comes to your home. Or, perhaps, helping out a poor or homeless person with a meal. What Jesus was saying his disciples should do for each other is not the specific act of foot-washing, but the attitude of service to others at the cost of one's own convenience.
That said, like villagegirl, I have attended a Seventh-day Adventist church and participated in their foot-washing ceremony, and found it to be very meaningful. What surprised me was that it was not so difficult or humbling to wash the feet of another person. What was really tough was sitting there and allowing someone else to wash my feet. That was where I really needed to bring up some personal humility, and it made Peter's response to Jesus (John 13:6-9) much more real to me. So I have no issue with churches that choose to practice foot-washing in a literal way, but I don't believe that Jesus' words require such a literal application.