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  ONE REASON

  by snare&racket in

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  out of interest, and to formulate a cordial chat, would you give your top one reason for your belief or non belief?.

  my foremost 'one reason' for non belief is:.

  the historical evidence that provides an explination and timeline for how the modern religious doctrine's and dogma developed over time.. .

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  Ucantnome

  We had supernatural experiences
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  How would you define RELIGION, and why?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

  this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

  this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

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  Ucantnome

  I think about 84 percent of the world population identify with a religion

  i would think its a something people need
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  How would you define RELIGION, and why?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

  this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

  this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

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  Ucantnome

  Now. set of beliefs involving a god with rituals.

  then. I didn't
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  Were you 100% in?

  by pontoon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was baptized in 1968. last meeting 2010. i have to say i was never 100% in.

  there were times i absolutely believed, but i never really gave it my all.

  never liked service, assemblies, meetings.

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  Ucantnome

  I was 100 % witness but had no desire for privileges
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  What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?

  by FL_Panthers in

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  as the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..

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  Ucantnome

  i left because i could not support some of the views regarding 1914 and could not therefore engage in the preaching work therefore no longer a witness and who will survive armageddon i have difficulty with this.

  1975 i have no problem with the fact that the end did not come in or before that year, only with the attitude of some regarding what was said and who was responsible for it.

  Baptism, and understanding of the resurrection, Jesus.
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  In your memory, what was the nicest day you had out in field service?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for me, that happy day was in morro bay, calif. it was the fall, oct 1958 or 9. gorgeous weather.

  the sun was shining and the wind was coming off of the ocean.. at that time, morro bay was unassigned territory.. talesin on another thread was talking about a lovely day she had, going with her grandfather, talking with a mr languages.

  lol.

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  Wednesdays. Just before i became a pioneer and through the time I was pioneering. Wednesdays were always our long day working through the evening. The earlier Wednesdays were the best. We had no car and relied on buses and walking and the brothers were very helpful. Afternoons were all studies. We were in a city and a lot of poorer people. There was a great hotdog place we often got lunch and on the walks to studies would stop in the record shops. One study had this large fish tank that you wouldn't think anything lived in. It was so cloudy. Then a large shadow would swim by near the glass and disappear again and the lady was old and would often fall asleep for a while. So we would just wait. It was stifling hot in there as well with no air conditioning. The last study of the afternoon the lady always gave us dinner. The study was with her son. Some afternoons we done street witnessing as well which i surprising quite enjoyed,it was easy In the evening we meet with the brothers and go on return visits which was often fun.
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  Question for believers in the Bible/God

  by not bitter in

  1. jw
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  my question basically is - why believe?.

  now as a non believer i find it hard to understand how anyone in their right mind can believe in the supernatural and more to the point, live their lives according to an old book.

  not just christians obviously.. my intention is not to offend people.

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  Ucantnome

  the bible tells me about Christ and gives comfort on the dark days
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  What has the WTS EVER "predicted" that has actually come true?

  by integ in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  you'd think they could point to something right?

  obviously we're the one true religion".. i can't fathom how anyone of any intelligence would be willing to join up with this org after doing even rudimentary research.. for years they have taught that it's wrong to seek advanced education or to plan for a "worldly" future by trusting in this system of things and then this past sunday the watchtower article rips on people for not planning for the future in regard to their elderly relatives.

  maybe if they hadn't been teaching for 100 yr's that the end was "just around the corner" and telling us we'd better believe that fact...or else, we would have planned better for a future that you said without reservation would not even occur.. what mind blowing prediction can they point to that would convince someone "oh yeah..these guys have it right"...?.

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  it depends how you view it.
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  What has the WTS EVER "predicted" that has actually come true?

  by integ in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  you'd think they could point to something right?

  obviously we're the one true religion".. i can't fathom how anyone of any intelligence would be willing to join up with this org after doing even rudimentary research.. for years they have taught that it's wrong to seek advanced education or to plan for a "worldly" future by trusting in this system of things and then this past sunday the watchtower article rips on people for not planning for the future in regard to their elderly relatives.

  maybe if they hadn't been teaching for 100 yr's that the end was "just around the corner" and telling us we'd better believe that fact...or else, we would have planned better for a future that you said without reservation would not even occur.. what mind blowing prediction can they point to that would convince someone "oh yeah..these guys have it right"...?.

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  Ucantnome

  End of the gentile times and the subsequent fulfillment of isa 2
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  1975 end prediction

  by FL_Panthers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

  how did people back then come to this year?

  i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

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  Ucantnome

  i do have a small pension. It will be about enough to buy the daily newspaper, at least it will be something to snuggle under on the park bench. It could have been more but years early when i was talking to the man from the bank about insurance for my small business i said no i don't need a pension.

  Am i missing a zero somewhere prologos? i don't think so.

  this is the quote from the book God's Eternal Purpose Now Triumphing For Man's Good(1974 WTB&TS) page 131

  the heading is'"Morning" of the seventh creative "day" begins, 526 BCE.' and the paragraph starts

  'The first half or "evening" period of God's seventh creative "day" was now closing, 3500 years from creation of, Adam and Eve. The morning of this creative "day" was due to begin at 526 BCE.'

  So I understand this to mean 526 BCE is the half way point in the 7th creative day so if you add 3500 years to it and take away 1000 and do something with the zero (maybe this is the zero you meant) i think it comes out to 1975

  The thousand year reign follows Armageddon and is not included in it. So it seems to me that between getting this important spiritual food and studying it early in 1975 there was little time remaining.

  As far as i remember the book doesn't mention 1975 for some reason, I could be wrong however it does mention 4026 on page 51 in the heading ' "Evening" of seventh creative "day" begins, 4026 BCE' Also at the beginning of the book it talks about Charles Taze Russell and his Watch Tower article "The Plan of the Ages" and the diagram "Chart of the Ages".

  It explains how Ephesians 3:11 in the Emphatic Diaglott has "according to a plan of the ages, which he formed" and based on this translation the Watchtower article was published and the chart was later in 1886 included i understand in Russells book The Divine Plan of the Ages.In my copy of the NWT Ephesians 3:11 'according to the eternal purpose that he formed...' and the book is called God's "Eternal Purpose" Now Triumphing for Man's Good.

  In the book God's Kingom of a Thousand Years has Approached(1973 WTB&TS) on pages 206/208 it explains how they had arrived at 1874 as the "presence" or parousia. I qoute here from page 208.

  'Thus, by inserting 100 years into the Bible chronology during the period of the Judges, man's creation was pushed pushed back 100 years to 4128 BCE and the six thousand years of man's existence on earth ended in 1872. (The Time Is At Hand page 42) Then the allowance of two years before the entry of sin led to the year 1874 as the year in which six thousand years of human sin terminated and the seventh thousand years for the elimination of sin by Christ's reign began. So the Grand Jubilee was then due to begin.'

  So if i've understood it correctly it would seem to me that 1975 was connected to Charles Taze Russell. On page 206 of the book just mentioned it says.

  'Also, that the date of the first man's creation by Jehovah God was in the 4128 BCE which meant that six thousand years of man's existence on he earth ended in the year 1872 CE as calculated by Russell and his associates. This reckoning began to be announced on the fornt page of Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence beginning with the issue of July 1, 1906 and this practice continued down through the issue of September 15 1928.'

  Doesn't appear to me that any of it was correct.