Posts by Ucantnome

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The 1914 doctrine: How long it will last?

by opusdei1972 in

one hundred years have passed and the society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. however, i wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?.

and if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie??

?.

Ucantnome

I believe that in 1876 Russell published an article showing that the gentile times ended in 1914 and I think that this is still believed by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I understand that the anointed were commissioned in 1919 to speak in God’s name and in 1920 they discerned that they should preach the good news of the establishment of God’s Kingdom in 1914 in fulfilment of Matthew 24:14 as shown in the Watchtower article Gospel of the Kingdom July 1st 1920.

In the book, Man’s Salvation Out of World Distress At Hand! (Watch Tower 1975) page 47/48

‘The glorification of Jesus Christ in heaven after his extraordinary sufferings as a man on earth was good news, Gospel, Evangel. “Nevertheless,” writes the apostle Paul with special reference to his own people, “they did not all obey the good news…’

…The good news about the Messianic kingdom of Jehovah’s “Servant” is better news today than it was nineteen hundred years ago, in apostolic times. In the face of the relatively small proportion of the world’s population that has put faith in the “thing heard [from] us” or proclaimed by us, it can truthfully be said: “They did not all obey the good news.” ‘

In my opinion I think that if they were to change what has been proclaimed regarding 1914 it would be the same as changing what has been preached regarding the resurrection of Christ. So I don’t see it happening. The teaching of the end of the gentile times in 1914 is for good I think.

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When you were fully in, did you believe that you would not die?

by TTWSYF in

i know that it must seem silly to ask, but my brother and his family think that the big a will arrive before they die.

i tried to explain to my brother that everyone else who has ever lived in the past has died and only jesus has [physically] rose from the dead.. it is amazing that anyone could buy that line.

what crazy cult culture that could make people believe such nonsense?!.

Ucantnome

I believed that I had the possibility of living forever and never growing old. There was the possibility of dying from illness, as one young witness did that I knew, or in some accident.

Surviving Armageddon was not totally secure in my mind as I believed it was the organization that would survive and not necessarily the individual.

As a young person the prospect of unfortunately dying from one of these situations and coming back very shortly in the resurrection with no prospect of sex or marriage was a depressing thought as was the thought of the elders being princes in the earth.

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The 1914 doctrine: How long it will last?

by opusdei1972 in

one hundred years have passed and the society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. however, i wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?.

and if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie??

?.

Ucantnome

for good

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How Will Armageddon Begin?

by Cold Steel in

and how long will it last?

and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?

the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.

Ucantnome

I understood the first world war began with a bang, the assassination of a Franz someone. When we were kids this was the first part of the tribulation and the tribulation would resume any day with Armageddon.

my impression from what I've read is that there is similarities in the new light with the old and so conclude it will start with a bang.

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JW marriages: “They” looked good on paper.

by Londo111 in

i applaud anyone, male or female, who overcomes shallowness and looks at a person’s deeper qualities, especially in regard dating and marriage.

the movie and fashion industry does much to institute shallowness to the point that, in my opinion, it promotes outright discrimination and judgmentalism even as they give lip service to tolerance..

on the other hand, among jehovah’s witnesses, there seem to be a preponderance of incompatible marriages.

Ucantnome

earlier in the thread I asked this.

Ucantnome5 months ago

This has been reinforced by the words of Anthony Morris III at the US Branch visit: women should not marry a man who is not at least a ministerial servant. It was implied the marriage is doomed otherwise.

where can i find this so i can show it to a JW?

and this was Londo111 reply

Londo1115 months ago

Here is a link: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/2lt891/

This was back in 2014 during the US zone visit. Any active JW in the US would have heard this.

"You know a man that's not serving there should be a real good reason why they're not serving as a Ministerial Servant. inaudible Sister you know how elders get put in awkward positions Uh what's the story with this brother I'm interested in marrying him. But they had already gone too far along. Now they tried to tell her they said well think about it he's 23 years old he's not a Ministerial Servant. Well she married him. She paid for that wrong decision. 23 years old and you're not serving as a Ministerial Servant?"

On another thread there was a link to a Watchtower article about Anthony Morris III his life and regarding his first love.

I remember the first time I fell in love I was quite young and the young lady asked me to meet her in the library at school. She took my hand and told me how much she liked me. I thought she was the most gorgeous girl I had ever met but I couldn't tell her. I was struck dumb. Needless to say that was the end of it.

The next girl I fell in love with was in the congregation different circumstances but similar outcome.

With God I was raised a Witness regardless of the boring meeting and awful assemblies I always had a love for God.

In the article it appears if i'm not mistaken that Mr. Morris entered a Kingdom Hall at 21years of age in February 1971 was baptised that summer at the district convention and married by December. For some reason the poem Soloman Grundy flashed across my mind.

I find his story interesting in regard to the comments that LondoIII provided

"Remembering My First Love Has Helped Me To Endure" By Anthony Morris III.

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How Will Armageddon Begin?

by Cold Steel in

and how long will it last?

and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?

the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.

Ucantnome

with a bang!

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If Watchtower can use a non-sequitur to say that Jesus now knows the day and the hour, despite Matthew 24:36 ....

by Island Man in

... where's the good sense preventing them from again making a date prediction for the end and using a non-sequitur to justify their claim in the face of matthew 24:36?

"... but christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against satan's world.

(rev 19:11-16) thus, it is reasonable to conclude that jesus now knows when armageddon will occur...." - watchtower july 2016, page 14, par.

Ucantnome

Jan do you think Christ will only know after the event has started?

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What do you think would have happened to you if...

by LevelThePlayingField in

you found out about ttatt way back in the 70's or maybe the 80's (basically before the internet) and you thought that you were all alone in this knowledge?

what do you think would have happened to you?

no jehovahs-witness.com, no john cedars, no arc, no jwfacts.com and no crisis of conscience to fall back on.

Ucantnome

My leaving had nothing to do with the internet as I didn't have it or Crisis of Conscience that I read after or other ex-witnesses. I only read the bible and witness literature.

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If Watchtower can use a non-sequitur to say that Jesus now knows the day and the hour, despite Matthew 24:36 ....

by Island Man in

... where's the good sense preventing them from again making a date prediction for the end and using a non-sequitur to justify their claim in the face of matthew 24:36?

"... but christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against satan's world.

(rev 19:11-16) thus, it is reasonable to conclude that jesus now knows when armageddon will occur...." - watchtower july 2016, page 14, par.

Ucantnome

I understand that the resurrection of Christ was good news and was preached about in the first century and that the Jewish people saw time as a progression of ages.

The resurrection of Christ was a new epoch a new age I think. As the preaching of the good news by JW is a further progression, into the parousia, which I believe is like a royal visit. I would think that it would be normal to conclude that the King would know the length of his visit.

Matthew 24:36 being before the resurrection of Christ

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How successful are others at getting ex-dubs together?

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

for my first shunniversary i reached out to the local ex-dubs that i know.

i invited 11 total to join me in a little get together at a local restaurant, then back to my house to hang out.

one friend asked if he could invite others, and i encouraged him, and all, to do so.

Ucantnome

It was very disappointing and reminded me of my days inside the Borganization where I could never get anyone to do anything with me.

When I was in my mid-twenties I left a congregation that I had been part of for 4 years. I was a regular publisher and had good meeting attendance on the School, giving a few bible reading, answering in the meetings etc. I wasn't marked or anything. There had been quite a few get-togethers and weddings and picnics that I had attended and had dated a couple of sisters in the congregation that hadn't worked out and another one was interested in going out.

One of my friends had a leaving, going away party for me and invited everyone in the congregation. He provided plenty of food and drink but no one came. It was just me and him my brother and one of his. Even my other friend his brother didn't come.

i often found at Witness parties it was difficult and I hated walking in. One I when to I stopped at a bar on the way there then went home I knew what it would be like. Another one at an elders house me and a couple of others were going to take a couple of six packs of beer. I was the only that took any and it disappeared in a couple of seconds of putting it down.

Recently I attended a BBQ one of my cousins had. I hadn't seen him since the 80's. and before that the 60's some I hadn't seen because we were Witnesses when we grew up. But it was totally different to any Witness party, BBQ type thing that I had ever attended. The people were friendly.

I'm not a very out going sort of person and I think that is to do with my upbringing as a Witness. Always being guarded in what I say and who I associate with. So many times I've gone to social events and agonized most of the night about what I've saidbeing unable to sleep, that doesn't happen anymore since I left the Witnesses.

I wouldn't go to ex-dubs meet-ups myself. Nearly didn't go to the BBQ of my cousin.