Hey Kurtbethel, I like your picture (snare and a racket)
At least they got one thing right!!!
Posts by erbie
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96What's The Main Reason You Do Not Believe That The Witnesses Are The Best Religion?
by minimus insome people leave because they are fed up with the elders.
others have personality issues.
some have doctrinal and prophecy reasons.
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What's The Main Reason You Do Not Believe That The Witnesses Are The Best Religion?
by minimus insome people leave because they are fed up with the elders.
others have personality issues.
some have doctrinal and prophecy reasons.
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erbie
For a long time I knew that for me personally common sense and reasoning were on a collision course with Watchtower lies and deception.
When that happened I had to stop attending.
As Oscar Wilde said on his death bed; "I can't stand this wall paper, one of us will have to go"
A sense of humour to the end, that's the way to go!
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Horrible day
by 88JM ini just had to come on here and vent - i'm having a horrible day.. firstly, had to sit through a horrible public talk about obedience to the "superior authorities" (whoever they decide that is this week) - all kinds of crazy stuff taking verses in romans way out of context.. then had to sit through that hideous watchtower defending david.
one brother actually used the words "we want to follow in david's footsteps" - i was nearly ready to vomit.
just a total gloss-over.
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erbie
Hey, I know literally loads of dubs who have just faded (I'm one of them) and after a while nobody cares what you do. I have even just recently had this conversation with elders asking why sister so and so is now living with a new man and is not disf'd. They simply tell me that when an individual has been inactive for some time it is not the congregations concern what they get up to. I know loads of ex dubs who get up to all manner of things. Many of us meet up and are very good friends.
Seriously, if you fade without any fuss, don't give them any reason to think you are an 'apostate' which means biting your tongue, you will be fine.
Have a little faith!
Technically, I am still a JW and when I meet dubs I am treated as such. I just keep my opinions to myself. Its very frustrating because they can speak their mind when I cannot but I live with it. There are things in this life more valuable than making one's opinion known!
I used to think life would be great if I could tell them where to get off but now, after all this time, I've come to realise that doing it my way is much more fun.
Only tell people what you want them to know. I have always applied this principle since childhood and it is a safeguard against those who would do us harm.
I wish you the very best.
Love and peace.
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Rant #77
by 00DAD inthis isn't actually my 77th rant.
i've completely lost track of all my rants.
i'm quite sure i'm way passed 77 by now.
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erbie
Its hard to imagine why its even legal to operate the way they do. Human rights???
Surely it can't continue for much longer.
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Good Reasons To Hate Every Weak And Ex-Jehovah Witness.
by AuntConnie in1. my husband's time is finite, it's wasted on spouses arguing over money, sex or family mattters with stupid home visits.. .
i hate people's constant open hand for money, it's the weak individuals asking others to pull their weight.
my family worked extra hours instead of begging the strong members for district assembly money, cat food for seven cats or tiny little rag-a-muffins weiner dogs.. .
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erbie
This thread is yet more proof that the Watchtower organization is nothing more than another harmful, mind controling cult which ultimately ruins lives.
I pity you as I have been through the whole experience myself, not unlike yours.
The day we, as a family, made a pile of 4 wheelbarrow loads of Watchtower books collected over a thirty year period and put a match to it was an incredible thing. I wish you could have seen it!
We turned our back to the fire and wiped our feet vowing never to go back.
You should remove yourself from it completely and your husband will respect you for standing up for your human rights.
I also have squandered valuable time on wastrel JW's who are not worth the time of day.
We once helped this sponging family move three times in 18 months because they would not pay a removal company. At the hall they would treat us like dirt.
Your husband is wasting his precious time-don't let him waste yours!!!
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2012 report analysis - growth of JWs according to local internet availability
by cedars inhi everyone.
i did a similar chart to the one below last year, but this year i thought i'd make it slightly more meaningful by giving the statistics across three years rather than just one.. hopefully it's fairly self explanatory.. i'm making the data i've used available in a separate pdf download for those who are interested.. .
cedars.
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erbie
Poor Shadow, I think he's having doubts and that is why he is lurking here.
Get thee gone to thy shadowy realm from whence thou came!
Be gone I say!
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erbie
In my experience, the only thing that would motivate him to go back to the JW's is a feeling of hopelessness and/or a lack of meaning or purpose in his life.
I think you need to try and discover (tactfully) what it is that he wants from life.
The Watchtower has nothing to offer him but false promises of a wonderful life in a perfect new world. This is the perfect escape from the real and actual world that we live in but it is nothing more than a blind alley with no end that will, ultimately, make him feel betrayed and deceived.
For a long time after I left I had occaisional 'urges' to return to the hall but after quite some years (eight or so) I came to realise that this was because I had not filled the 'void' that the JW's had left with something purposeful.
My guess is that your dear husband is in a similar situation and that he has a void in his life that has not been filled. Most people join a cult because they need a purpose and if you leave, that need for meaning and purpose does not magically disappear. And importantly, that sense of meaning is rarely to be found in human relationships alone so do not be offended if he needs something else in his life.
Granted, the JW's do offer a very attractive package but when one delves beneath the surface just a little it is exposed for what it is. This is something only he can do and as I say, in my experience, if one pressures a partner into being critical of the JW's it only serves to reinforce their claim that family members (such as you) will pursecute them aided by Satan. I know its mad and underhanded but that is how they work and in order to combat their tactics you need to play it carefully.
I do hope this is at least of some little help. I'm afraid I can only speak of my own experience and I do appreciate that every case is unique. Nevertheless, I do believe that the principles remain the same so I wish you well in your efforts and the very best for the future.
It would not surprise me if he has been feeling quite 'low' lately and that this is just a reaction to it but please do keep us informed.
Love & peace.
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Are JW'S "hated" in all the world? Or...are they considered IRRELEVANT?
by Terry inwathctower 90/1/1 p. 12 par.
8 not ashamed of the good news .
while it is true that jehovahs witnesses are hated and opposed in all the nations of the earth, this is in fulfillment of what was foretold to be an identifying mark of genuine worshipers of the one living and true god.
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erbie
I think they lend themselves way too much credit.
People of the world see them as of no consequence whatsoever.
Just another man-made religion.
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what happened to these CO,s in the UK back in the 60's?
by bigmac inflowing from another thread--does anyone remember the following names from the 1960's in the uk---where are they now?--in or out?--alive or otherwise?.
bill bull.
bevan vigo.
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erbie
Yes, I agree. It was the content that was wrong. His talents are employed to make a false message appear more plausible.
A useful asset for the WT I would think!!!
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what happened to these CO,s in the UK back in the 60's?
by bigmac inflowing from another thread--does anyone remember the following names from the 1960's in the uk---where are they now?--in or out?--alive or otherwise?.
bill bull.
bevan vigo.
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erbie
Thankyou George.
I was almost certain I had the spelling wrong. I do know an Elgar so hence the confusion.
I remember David Algar as a particularly animated speaker.
In all probability, a very pleasant fellow.