Who suggested swinging? I did nothing of the sort. If you think otherwise, I would urge you to quote it.
Once again, your WTS trained mind has caused you to jump to conclusions.
i have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
Who suggested swinging? I did nothing of the sort. If you think otherwise, I would urge you to quote it.
Once again, your WTS trained mind has caused you to jump to conclusions.
the first time i heard of christopher hitchens was today when his named was mentioned multiple times in the comment section of a youtube video.
after reading a brief summary of his life, it became clear that this guy was a complete douche-bag.
a very arrogant sarcastic bigoted f**k who looked down on everyone who didn't share his beliefs.
Do we have to keep bumping this moron's thread?
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[endif]one year ago today, i was 40 weeks pregnant and my husband and i were sitting at home, watching a movie.
It is so natural to celebrate the passing of another year of a child's life that even most witnesses I know acknowledge birthdays to some degree. My parents are extremely devout JWs, and my mom used to call me every year to say, "Do you know what I was doing X number of years ago today?" Never "Happy Birthday" but the point was taken.
have you kept your faith in god?
i know this has been discussed but i am suprised at my change in beliefs.
imo pretty much all of the hebrew scriptures are about an angry god who reminds me of an abusive father.
Bart Ehrman is probably most responsible for my atheism.
from e-watchman's website:.
http://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-news/tag/obama .
eishenhower's upbringing associated with the international bible students (later jehovah's witnesses).
The fact that International Bible Students can be abbreviated IBS really says a lot.
i have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
You're making it about me, Twitch.
At what point did I try and inject my "lifestyle" into the discussion, Twitch? What is my lifestyle??
I merely offered the gentlemen some suggestions based on EXPERIENCE. Since you obviously have no such experience, you can't very well speak to the credibility of my suggestions. Your point of view is pure supposition, while mine is based on empirical evidence. Does that fact mean that every suggestion I made is applicable to the OP's situation? Absolutely not. It means that I'm throwing out some ideas that I know work for somecouples. In addition to that, I'm supporting the concept that punishing the offender by focusing on the transgression, under the circumstances, is counter productive.
i have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
You can't really say anything informed about my swinger's club suggestion if you have never been to an off-premise swinger's club.
If you have no first-hand experience, you don't know what you're talking about.
i have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
I was overblown once... got all shriveled and wrinkly... it wasn't pretty.
But seriously... it's hard to try and give someone advice when you don't know them. But one thing I know about people, people in this exact same situation specifically, is that if the partner that perceives themselves a victim ACTS LIKE A VICTIM the other person in the relationship will have no choice but to flee. Eventually.
Steve2 suggested early on that I was inappropriate and an asshole [in so many words]. I would ask you, Twitch, who's the bigger asshole, the guy who says to forget the transgression and attempt to move on as a couple? Or the guys who want to pour over details about Jonathan's wife's nipples and tongue?
HERPES?!?!? Come on, man! What... the... fuck?
Sure... I'm the asshole.
i have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
Jesus... you guys sure do sound like a bunch of prude XJ-Dubs [I agree with many of DOC's points and primarily exclude DOC from that criticism].
She kissed a guy. So what? WHAT SHE DID IS NOT A BIG DEAL. Look at the big picture here. The actions she performed don't amount to anything all that serious. Too many guys spend too much time thinking of the women in their lives as "their women." They act like even an attraction to another man is an afront to the relationship. It just isn't reasonable to attempt to simplify an emotionally complex human being to such a degree. If you want my opinion [you probably don't] that's what's wrong with marriage in the USA.
Anyway... this girl doesn't need to be demonized and vilified by people who don't even know her.
My little brother and his wife were in the process of fading when his wife did basically the same thing Jonathan's wife did. Their solution was to go hardcore JW. She quit her job, they sold their house and they are now both regular pioneers "serving where the need is great." Problem solved. There are many ways to skin a cat.
I might be a little too wild, and my solutions may not be tolerable for some [the swinger's club was only ONE suggestion among many]. But I know how to have a good time and I know that if you keep a woman mentally and emotionally stimulated, then she's not likely to stray. Of course, another way to keep a partner faithful is to keep them feeling guilty, as in my brother's example. But my way's more fun.
i have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
Just a word on marriage counselors. I've only been to one, and he came highly recommended. He counseled my wife and I separately, then together.
He told me that I'm just not the sort of man who has the capacity to be faithful to one woman. That it would be best for me to learn to be discreet with my extramarital encounters. He then referenced another patient of his who regularly hired high-end call girls and suggested I do something similar.
He told my wife that she was married to a high-testosterone alpha-male type, but that she had a right to ask for and expect fidelity.
While counseling us together he never referenced the individual counsel he gave and focused on recommending bullshit about finding activities that we can do together to buid our bond.
So... you can imagine what my opinion of marriage counselors is.