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Should Judge George W. Greer be Impeached?

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guardian even though he should be removed as terri?s guardian .

29. judge greer has ignored terri?s right under 765.102(5)(a) to .

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Impeach Judge George W. Greer of Florida's Sixth Judicial Circuit
http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html

To: Florida House of Representatives

Whereas the Florida Constitution Article III Section 17 provides for
the impeachment of judges for misdemeanor in office, misdemeanor
being defined as a misdeed or offense less than a felony.

Whereas Judge George W. Greer is a judge in the 6th circuit court of
Florida and bound to rule in agreement with Florida Statutes and the
Judicial Code of Ethics,

The undersigned are petitioning Florida House Speaker Johnnie Byrd
and the Florida House of Representatives to impeach Judge George
W. Greer pursuant to the provisions in the Florida Constitution for the
following violations of Statutes and Judicial Canons, which prove
justification for impeachment.

Judge George W. Greer has caused public confidence in the judiciary
to deteriorate due to his rulings regarding Terri Schiavo and thus
violated Judicial Canon 1.

Judge George W. Greer has made rulings, which advance the private
interests of Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Senate President Jim
King by allowing the statutes, which apply, to persons with terminal
illness to order the death of Terri Schiavo by dehydration and
starvation at the request of Michael Schiavo and thus is in violation of
Judicial Canon 2B.

Judge George W. Greer has not ruled according to law in the case of
whether to remove Terri Schiavo?s tube by which she receives
nutrition and hydration. The rulings, which are inconsistent with
Florida Statutes and Constitution, are:

1. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(2 ) for failure to discharge his
duties as guardian. The statute requires that the guardian protect the
rights of the ward, provide for her health and safety, properly manage
her financial resources and help her regain her abilities to the
maximum extent possible.

2. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(3) for abuse of his powers as
evidenced by his denying her any significant sensory stimulation and
his efforts to have her life ended.

3. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(7) for wasting, embezzlement, or
other mismanagement of the ward's property, one example is
Michael?s statement on national television that he had Terri?s wedding
rings melted down and made into jewelry for himself.

4. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(11) because of a conflict of
interest between the ward and the guardian due to Michael Schiavo
living with and fathering children with another woman.

5. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(13) for failure to comply with the
guardianship report.

6. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(14) for failure to file annual
guardianship reports in a timely manner.

7. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(16) for improperly managing the
ward?s assets by using Terri?s money which was awarded by a court to
be used for her rehabilitation but at the authorization of Judge Greer is
being used to pay legal fees in an effort to end Terri?s life.

8. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(17) because there has been a
significant change in Terri?s assets due to the actions of her guardian.
Terri?s assets have likely increased since her accident and Michael
Schiavo is denying Terri the benefit of any assets accrued after the
malpractice award which would be equally hers as Michael?s legal
spouse.

9. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian even though he should be removed as Terri?s guardian
pursuant to Florida Statute 744.474(18) because Michael?s adulterous
relationship (which is a misdemeanor under Florida law) with another
woman ought to disqualify Michael as a suitable guardian for Terri as
the interest which Michael said (in malpractice trial court proceedings)
he had toward Terri is directed to another woman who is not his wife
and has two children by said other woman of whom he is the father.

10. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to remain as Terri?s
guardian and has aided Michael in abusing, neglecting, and exploiting
Terri, a vulnerable adult, by appropriating funds that were awarded for
her rehabilitation to pay legal fees, and has aided in exploiting Terri by
denying the money to be used for her benefit. Both these infractions
were committed with the
knowledge that Terri lacked the capacity to consent and explained in
detail in Florida Statute 415.102.

11. Judge Greer?s rulings to date have deprived Terri Schiavo of her
constitutional right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue
happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and
protect property which are detailed in Section 2 of the Florida
Constitution by ordering her life to be ended by denying her hydration
and nutrition.

12. Judge Greer has deprived Terri of her constitutional religious rights
by allowing Michael Schiavo to prevent Monsignor Malonowski from
visiting Terri, by allowing Michael to prevent Monsignor Malinowski
from administering last rites when her feeding tube was removed in
October 2003, and by allowing Michael to prevent Terri?s blood
relatives from placing pictures of religious figures in her room.

13. Judge Greer has allowed Terri?s constitutional right to privacy to
be violated by Michael Schiavo by not restricting his comments during
interviews on national television.

14. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215C(a) To
have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.

15. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(b) (b) to
have continuing review of the need for restriction of her rights.

16. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right to be restored to capacity,
FL statute 744.3215C.

17. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(d) (d) to be
treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against
abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

18. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(e) to have a
qualified guardian.

19. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(f) to remain
as independent as possible, including having her preference as to place
and standard of living honored, either as she expressed or
demonstrated her preference prior to the determination of his or her
incapacity or as she currently expresses her preference, insofar as such
request is reasonable.

20. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (g) to be
properly educated. She is not receiving any rehabilitative therapy.

21. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (h) to
receive prudent financial management for her property and to be
informed how her property is being managed. Michael Schiavo stated
on national television that he melted Terri?s wedding rings down and
had them made into jewelry for himself.

22. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (i) to
receive necessary services and rehabilitation. Judge Greer has allowed
Michael to deprive Terri of the same. She did not have a working
wheelchair for an extended and unnecessarily long period of time.

23. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215 (k) to have
access to the courts. Judge Greer has relied upon the testimony of
others related to Michael Schiavo as to Terri?s condition yet ignored
the testimony of her blood relatives which was contradictory to
information provided by Michael and his family.

24. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(l) to
counsel.

25. Judge Greer has denied Terri the right under 744.3215(m) to
receive visitors and communicate with others.

26. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(a) by allowing Terri
to be moved to different facilities without prior approval of the court.

27. Judge Greer has allowed violation of 744.3215(b) not requiring
Michael to have follow up examinations of electrodes, which were
implanted in Terri?s brain. These implants should have been removed
years ago, as they are a source for both infection and hydrocephalus.
Hydrocephalus may cause pressure that could suppress cognitive
function and be responsible for much of Terri?s condition. If so, there
could be a vast improvement in her condition if a shunt were placed.
Hydrocephalus could also cause pressure that would flatten the brain
and show fluid filled areas on a brain scan.

28. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to violate a court order stating
that he is to keep Terri?s family advised of her medical condition.

29. Judge Greer has ignored Terri?s right under 765.102(5)(a) to
palliative care which addresses physical, psychological, social,
spiritual, and existential needs of patients.

30. Judge Greer has not required Michael Schiavo to implement a plan
which would provide for Terri?s needs under 765.102(5)(a).

31. Judge Greer has allowed Michael Schiavo to neglect Guardianship
Education, which is a requirement under Florida law.

32. Judge Greer relied on Dr. Ronald Cranford?s definition of PVS
(Persistent Vegetative State) instead of the legal definition contained
in the Florida Statutes. There were several doctors who gave reports
that Terri is not PVS but Greer decided not to use the Florida Statute?s
definition.

33. Judge Greer has failed to be impartial and has ignored testimony
and evidence presented by Counsel for Terri?s natural family and has
consistently ruled in agreement with Counsel for Michael Schiavo.

34. Judge Greer has allowed Michael to continue denying visitation to
Terri?s family even though a police investigation found that they were
not responsible for marks found on her arm.

35. Judge Greer in his February 11, 2000 Order, committed
malpractice by
misdiagnosing Terri as being an unconscious and unaware person and
then ordered the Guardian of the Ward to commit a 1st Degree Felony
Crime by removing Terri's feeding tube and denying her constitutional
and legal right to be protected and not feloniously victimized by being
caused to die.

35. Judge Greer authorized the euthanization of Terri Schiavo by
authorizing the removal of her feeding tube when she does not fit the
definition of PVS under Florida statutes. Euthanasia is illegal in
Florida.

36. Judge Greer has violated the Americans With Disabilities Act
(ADA), 42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 provides that necessary and
appropriate rehabilitation services and physical/motor skill therapy
may not be denied a substantially disabled patient in the United States
of America.

37. Judge Greer has violated the ADA Cf 28 CFR, Ch 1, Subpart B,
Sect 35.130 States "Nothing in the Act or this part authorizes the
representative or guardian of an individual with a disability to decline
food, water, medical treatment, or medical services for that
individual."

38. Judge Greer has violated FS 38.10 four times by not disqualifying
himself from the case when it was requested. The statute states
whenever a party to any action or proceeding makes and files an
affidavit stating fear that he or she will not receive a fair trial in the
court where the suit is pending on account of the prejudice of the
judge of that court against the applicant or in favor of the adverse
party, the judge shall proceed no further, but another judge shall be
designated in the manner prescribed by the laws of this state for the
substitution of judges for the trial of causes in which the presiding
judge is disqualified.

The rulings and actions listed above are in violation of Judicial Canon
3B(2)

Judge Greer has violated Judicial Canon 3B(4) as seen in a video clip
of a court proceeding where Judge Greer was visibly impatient and
angry during court proceedings. The video can be viewed at this url.
http://real.scripps.com:8480/ramgen/tampalive/news/2003/11/1105schiavo.rm

Judge Greer should be investigating whether any life insurance policies
have been purchased or other investments made with funds intended
for Terri, which would cause Michael Schiavo to profit from her death.

Judge Greer serves on the Committee for Guardianship Monitoring but
is, in fact, violating the intentions and guidelines established by the
Committee. Information concerning the Committee for Guardianship
Monitoring may be found at this url
http://www.flcourts.org/osca/divisions/Guardian/guardianshipmonitoring.pdf

1. Judge Greer has neglected the mission of guardianship monitoring in
Terri?s case.The mission of guardianship monitoring is to collect,
provide, and evaluate information about the well-being and property
of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the court
can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the interests of
the ward, and thereby promote confidence in the judicial process.

2. Page 5 of the document contains ?Thus, the court must be proactive
to discover and respond to disputes and issues.? Judge Greer has
intentionally ignored disputed issues in Terri?s case and not made any
ruling to correct them.

3. On page 6 of the document is this statement ?An ideal guardianship
monitoring program encompasses four major service areas: (1) initial
and on-going screening and reviewing of guardians; (2) reporting on
the well-being of the ward; (3) reporting on the protection of the
ward?s assets; and (4) case administration.? Judge Greer?s flagrant
oversight of Michael Shiavo?s violations of the statutes pertaining to
guardians is certainly no example for any monitoring program.

4. It is unclear whether Judge Greer has required Michael Schiavo to
meet all the requirements of a guardian (listed on page 6 of the
document). ?A family member guardian is required to hire an attorney,
provide detailed personal information, undergo a credit check, post a
fiduciary?s bond, attend an 8-hour training course, and file detailed
initial and annual personal and financial reports.?

5. Pinellas County employees a full time monitoring staff, which
reviews cases to make sure guardianship plans are being filed and
followed. It would not have been possible for them to give approval of
the plan for Terri since the guardianship plans have not been an
important issue with Judge Greer evidenced by his granting Michael
extensions to file the plan. Judge Greer is deliberately undermining the
guardianship monitoring program which was established to make sure
that all wards receive the protection they are entitled to by the law.

6. Judge Greer did not adhere to the monitoring guidelines which state
that ?in cases where it appears there is substantial likelihood for
serious irreparable harm (similar to the injunctive relief standard),
immediate action steps by the court should include but not be limited
to: Filing an abuse, neglect, or exploitation complaint with the
Department of Children and Families, as required by statute, referral
to local law enforcement agencies or the state attorney and,
conducting immediate hearings among several other possible actions.
Terri is at risk of irreparable harm as long as Michael is her guardian.
He didn?t want to treat her for an infection, has not had preventive
health care examinations for her and stated on national television that
he would do whatever it takes to have her feeding tube removed.
Michael also stated during the same interview that Terri's teeth were
fine but recently she is missing several teeth.

Judge Greer?s rulings ought to be thrown out due to all these violations
and the Supreme Court ruling on May 18, 2004 that states may be
liable for money damages for denying disabled persons access to the
court.

Terri?s feeding tube can only be removed ?if? she is PVS and Judge
Greer?s ruling is based on a definition not contained in the Florida
Statutes. This is an outrageous liberty which Judge Greer has taken
and combined with the other violations of statutes there is no question
that he should be removed from his duties immediately.

We urge Florida Speaker of the House Johnnie Byrd and the Florida
House of Representatives to begin immediate impeachment
proceedings against Judge George W. Greer of the Sixth Judicial
Circuit of Florida for the violations contained in this petition.

Sincerely,

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About Terri Schiavo and Disability

by Yizuman in

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rwagoner wrote: kennedy, f. (1942).

the problem of social control of the congenital defective - education, sterilization, euthanasia.

american journal of psychiatry, 99, 13-16.. .

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Disabled seek law on sustaining life
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5317330.html
Conrad Defiebre, Star Tribune
March 29, 2005 DISABLE0329

Claiming that there is "a fine line in the sand"
between a persistent vegetative state and other
disabilities, quadriplegics and their advocates
called Monday for a law that would sustain the
lives of Minnesotans in cases like Terri
Schiavo's.

"We must not acquiesce to the culture of death
and disregard for disability being promoted in
our nation," Jean Swenson, who has used a
wheelchair for 25 years, said at a State Capitol
news conference. "Responsible and
compassionate societies always protect and care
for their most vulnerable citizens."

Swenson is part of a group that has asked
Minnesota legislators to prohibit withdrawal of
nourishment from comatose or vegetative
patients who haven't authorized it in a medical
directive.

The group drew comparisons between Schiavo,
the brain-damaged Florida woman at the center
of a national controversy, and some of those at
the news conference, including an 18-year-old
stroke victim who uses a feeding tube and a
15-year-old who plays adaptive sports despite
severe birth defects.

If Schiavo told relatives that she didn't want to
be kept alive by extraordinary means before she
lapsed into apparent unconsciousness 15 years
ago, she "may not have been fully aware of how
precious life is," said Don Bania Jr. of Corcoran,
a quadriplegic for 34 years.

After Schiavo's feeding tube was removed
March 18 following years of legal dispute
between her husband and her parents, Congress
and President Bush enacted emergency
legislation to move the case to federal courts.
Those courts, however, have declined to order
the tube's reinsertion.

Medical experts say Schiavo is likely to die
within two weeks without food or water.

"We ask that our legislators defend our lives
and protect us from death by starvation and
dehydration," said a written statement released
at the news conference. "It is a cruel, prolonged,
agonizing death sentence that we don't impose
on our most hardened criminals."

Bania said the Schiavo controversy pits a belief
that "life is a precious gift" against one holding
that "people with disabilities lack value and
purpose."

The group's statement added: " 'Rehabilitative
potential' is irrelevant to this discussion, and we
respectfully ask others to respect our wish to
live just as we are, in our current conditions."

Rep. Ray Vandeveer, R-Forest Lake, said
Monday that he and Sen. Michele Bachmann,
R-Stillwater, are researching possible legislation
at the group's request. The first step, he said, is
to determine the current state of the law in
Minnesota in cases like Schiavo's.

With deadlines for committee action on bills
approaching next month, Vandeveer added,
there may not be time to change the law this
year. "This is legislation we'd want to be
extremely careful about," he said.

Said Bachmann: "It's far more complicated than
we had thought. We don't want to bind family
members in a difficult situation."

Conrad deFiebre is at
[email protected].

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carnal is it in the bible?..what do it really mean?

by sad and lonely in

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by brother-in-law who claims he's a preacher,though he preaches out of his house and the only members are his wife,kids and about 3 other people he took of the streets gave a sandwich to,then talked them into letting him baptize them ,in his large body-lenght foot tub.

tells me that jesus is the father and that the reason i don't see that dispite the fact that jesus said himself his father is greater than him,i wasn't in the carnal...if i was then i would see how deep it is.and he said god!

wants us to be at his understanding level.but i thought somewhere i read or heard that we could never be at gods level.and also i read out of a dictionary about the word canal.ant it didn't seen spritual to me.it wasn't in my bible dictionary(the wordly one)as my sista said it was in the bible dict.,can anyone explain that to me...please!!!

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Worldly or Carnal Man vs A person who has a relationship with Jehovah = Spiritual Man

KJV = King James Version
NLT = New Living Translation
TLB = The Living Bible
ASV = American Standard Version

Romans 7:14
(Rom 7:14 KJV) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
(Rom 7:14 NLT) The law is good, then. The trouble is not with the law but with me, because I am sold into slavery, with sin as my master.
(Rom 7:14 TLB) The law is good, then, and the trouble is not there but with me because I am sold into slavery with Sin as my owner.
(Rom 7:14 ASV) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 8:7
(Rom 8:7 KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(Rom 8:7 NLT) For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God's laws, and it never will.
(Rom 8:7 TLB) because the old sinful nature within us is against God. It never did obey God's laws and it never will.
(Rom 8:7 ASV) because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:

Romans 15:27
(Rom 15:27 KJV) It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
(Rom 15:27 NLT) They were very glad to do this because they feel they owe a real debt to them. Since the Gentiles received the wonderful spiritual blessings of the Good News from the Jewish Christians, they feel the least they can do in return is help them financially.
(Rom 15:27 TLB) They were very glad to do this, for they feel that they owe a real debt to the Jerusalem Christians. Why? Because the news about Christ came to these Gentiles from the church in Jerusalem. And since they received this wonderful spiritual gift of the Gospel from there, they feel that the least they can do in return is to give some material aid.
(Rom 15:27 ASV) Yea, it hath been their good pleasure; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, they owe it to them also to minister unto them in carnal things.

I Corinthians 3:1, 3 - 4

KJV
(1 Cor 3:1 KJV) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
(1 Cor 3:3 KJV) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
(1 Cor 3:4 KJV) For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

NLT
(1 Cor 3:1 NLT) Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn't talk to you as I would to mature Christians. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life.
(1 Cor 3:3 NLT) for you are still controlled by your own sinful desires. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn't that prove you are controlled by your own desires? You are acting like people who don't belong to the Lord.
(1 Cor 3:4 NLT) When one of you says, "I am a follower of Paul," and another says, "I prefer Apollos," aren't you acting like those who are not Christians?

TLB
(1 Cor 3:1 TLB) Dear brothers, I have been talking to you as though you were still just babies in the Christian life who are not following the Lord but your own desires; I cannot talk to you as I would to healthy Christians who are filled with the Spirit.
(1 Cor 3:3 TLB) For you are still only baby Christians, controlled by your own desires, not God's. When you are jealous of one another and divide up into quarreling groups, doesn't that prove you are still babies, wanting your own way? In fact, you are acting like people who don't belong to the Lord at all.
(1 Cor 3:4 TLB) There you are, quarreling about whether I am greater than Apollos, and dividing the church. Doesn't this show how little you have grown in the Lord?

ASV
(1 Cor 3:1 ASV) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ.
(1 Cor 3:3 ASV) for ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you jealousy and strife, are ye not carnal, and do ye not walk after the manner of men?
(1 Cor 3:4 ASV) For when one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not men?

I Corinthians 9:11
(1 Cor 9:11 KJV) If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
(1 Cor 9:11 NLT) We have planted good spiritual seed among you. Is it too much to ask, in return, for mere food and clothing?
(1 Cor 9:11 TLB) We have planted good spiritual seed in your souls. Is it too much to ask, in return, for mere food and clothing?
(1 Cor 9:11 ASV) If we sowed unto you spiritual things, is it a great matter if we shall reap your carnal things?

II Corinthians 10:4
(2 Cor 10:4 KJV) (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
(2 Cor 10:4 NLT) We use God's mighty weapons, not mere worldly weapons, to knock down the Devil's strongholds.
(2 Cor 10:4 TLB) I use God's mighty weapons, not those made by men, to knock down the devil's strongholds.
(2 Cor 10:4 ASV) (for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strongholds),

Hebrews 7:16
(Heb 7:16 KJV) Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
(Heb 7:16 NLT) He became a priest, not by meeting the old requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but by the power of a life that cannot be destroyed.
(Heb 7:16 TLB) did not become a priest by meeting the old requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but on the basis of power flowing from a life that cannot end.
(Heb 7:16 ASV) who hath been made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life:

Hebrews 9:10
(Heb 9:10 KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
(Heb 9:10 NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and ritual washing--external regulations that are in effect only until their limitations can be corrected.
(Heb 9:10 TLB) For the old system dealt only with certain rituals--what foods to eat and drink, rules for washing themselves, and rules about this and that. The people had to keep these rules to tide them over until Christ came with God's new and better way.
(Heb 9:10 ASV) being only (with meats and drinks and divers washings) carnal ordinances, imposed until a time of reformation.

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The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

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up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

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"There's no point for either side to continue debating, she's going
to die soon anyway." -- the_classicist

The side I'm on hasn't happened yet and there has really been little debate on it yet, as well.

I'm on the side that wants Michael to be on trial for wife-abuse!
Whether he is guilty or not - I want all of the FACTS in this case looked at from a FRESH angle - in criminal court!

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I really am not for or against keeping her alive if she truly did want to die.

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The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

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"A lawyer told me when I first got involved in this case that he (Greer) does not have a reverse
on his transmission," Anderson said. "He apparently is too prideful to say 'I made a mistake. I
made a mistake because I didn't have all the information and I am sorry I made a mistake."'

Judge Forced Into Schiavo Spotlight

Sunday, March 27, 2005

(search) that has been fought through his court, Pinellas County Circuit Judge George Greer
has been under the protection of armed guards, and friends say his family also is protected.

Death threats have been made against him for allowing Michael Schiavo to remove the feeding
tube that has kept his 41-year-old wife alive for the past 15 years, and the Southern Baptist
(search) church that Greer belonged to for years has asked him to leave the congregation.

Greer ? a conservative Christian and longtime Republican known for an easy manner ? has
become the public face of the judiciary in this internationally watched fight.

But despite the mounting pressure, he has been steadfast in his rulings that Terri Schiavo is in a
persistent vegetative state and did not want to be kept alive artificially.

"There are very few people who have shown the will to stand up to raw power," said Stetson
University Law Professor Michael Allen, who has studied the Schiavo case. "He's one."

"This is simply a case of people not liking this decision, and the fact that a judge is standing up
to this is quite important," Allen added.

On Saturday, Greer rejected arguments by Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler,
that their daughter tried to say "I want to live" before her feeding tube was removed March 18.
They argued that she said "AHHHHH" and "WAAAAAAA" when asked to repeat the phrase.

Greer said that "all of the credible medical evidence this court has received over the last five
years" suggests Schiavo's behavior is not a product of cognitive awareness. Doctors have said
Schiavo's past utterances were involuntary moans consistent with someone in a vegetative state.

When informed of Greer's rejection, Bob Schindler reacted with somber sarcasm: "He did?
Great surprise."

It was Greer who first ruled that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state and would
not want to be kept alive artificially. Three times he has ordered the feeding tube be removed,
as requested by Michael Schiavo, and his rulings have consistently been upheld in appeals filed
by the Schindlers.

Greer, 63, also stood up to congressional efforts to intervene in the case, rejecting an attempt by
the House of Representatives to subpoena Terry Schiavo as a means to force the reinsertion of
her feeding tube. Since then, other judges have followed in refusing to act under a newly crafted
federal law allowing them to consider the case.

Greer, a former county commissioner, became a judge in 1992. He was recently re-elected to a
six-year term, but has announced that he will retire once that term is up.

While in legal circles he is garnering acclaim for his consistent application of Florida law in the
case, there has been a price.

Protesters now show up at his Clearwater (search) home. The FBI arrested a North
Carolina man it said placed a $50,000 bounty on the head of a judge in the case, although
officials didn't name the judge.

This past week, he parted ways with his Southern Baptist church, which had advocated keeping
Terri Schiavo alive, after his pastor suggested it would be better if he left.

"You must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case
that you will remember in the waning days of life," Calvary Baptist Pastor William Rice wrote
to Greer in a letter than later became public. "I hope you can find a way to side with the angels
and become an answer to the prayers of thousands."

Greer could not be reached for comment because of the frequent hearings on the Schiavo case,
but longtime friend Mary Repper said she recently spoke with him and he judge sounds "worn
out" by the case that has been on his docket for more than seven years.

"It's been going on so long and it's reached its fevered pitch," Repper said. "It's gotten so angry
and so hostile, but he's still hanging in there."

Repper said Greer has taken comfort in being consistently upheld by higher courts, but his split
with his church has been a blow.

"The people in that church should be ashamed of themselves, to demonize George and to ask him
to leave for doing his job, for upholding the law," she said. "To me, that was the most offensive
thing that has happened so far."

Greer has been asked to step down from the case five times and has refused.

Attorney Pat Anderson, who had represented the Schindlers for three years of the court fight,
filed three motions for recusal but said she could not get Greer to budge.

"A lawyer told me when I first got involved in this case that he (Greer) does not have a reverse
on his transmission," Anderson said. "He apparently is too prideful to say 'I made a mistake. I
made a mistake because I didn't have all the information and I am sorry I made a mistake."'

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The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

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Terri Schiavo Friend: She Often Had Bruises, Talked Divorce
http://www.lifenews.com/bio849.html
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
March 26, 2005

Pinellas Park, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A friend of Terri Schiavo's says the disabled woman frequently had bruises on her arms and legs prior to her collapse in 1990. The comments lend further evidence to allegations that Terri's estranged husband Michael abused her and that those actions caused her current condition.

"I did notice bruises on her upper arms and upper legs," Jackie Rhodes told Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren. The two worked together at an insurance company's office. Rhodes said she wasn't phased at the time by Terri's frequent bruising and attributed it to "maybe running into the desk at work or, you know, maybe she was extra-sensitive."

"But now, hindsight tells me that I did see them quite frequently and
that they may have been more than just a bump into the desk," Rhodes explained told Fox News.

"They were mostly bruises where normally they would be covered up, you know, during the work day," she said on Van Susteren's program. "They were smaller bruises, like maybe someone had grabbed her or, you know, like, squeezed her arm or leg really tight."

In her Friday interview, Rhodes revealed that Terri and her husband had a heated argument on the evening prior to February 25, 1990, when Michael supposedly woke up to find Terri unconscious in the hallway of the couple's St. Petersburg home.

Rhodes told Fox News that Terri called her in tears after the fight and she confirmed other accounts of Terri saying she and Michael
had discussed a divorce.

Meanwhile, in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel newspaper, Rhodes said Terri had gone the day before to get her hair done and the fight developed because Michael disapproved of Terri spending so much money.

"It sounded like she had been crying," Rhodes said. "I asked her if she was OK. She said she had a fight with Michael. He was extremely upset with her because she had spent $80 on her hair."

Rhode testified in court during a previous hearing that Michael
frequently made derogatory comments about Terri, such as Telling
her that her legs were too skinny.

A bone scan conducted on Terri one year after she collapsed found
possibly physical trauma indicating potential abuse. After Michael
and Bob and Mary Schindler began their legal battle in 1998, local
authorities said the scan was too old to investigate.

The Florida Department of Children and Families hoped to half
Terri's starvation death for 60 days to look into various accusations
of abuse and neglect, but Judge George Greer denied the requests.

Meanwhile, Terri's brother Bobby Schindler told Fox News Channel's Hannity & Colmes" on Thursday that a doctor has testified that she might have been strangled before she was found unconscious.

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The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

NewLight2

This is a new step for Michael:

"Felos also said that the chief medical examiner for Pinellas County, Dr. John Thogmartin, had agreed to perform an autopsy on Schiavo. He
said that her husband wants proof of the extent of her brain damage."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20050328/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman

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The brainwashing around the "Schiavo" case...

by Brummie in

jw
friends

up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.

how wrong was i?

i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.

NewLight2

"Over 20 courts have reviewed the evidence" - -bisous

There are still many unanswered questions remaining in this case that have not been addressed within the court system. The court has denied admission of potential evidence into this case on several occasions, leaving the final verdict less than air-tight. Even on 'appeal' this potential evidence was not allowed to be presented to the court.

One example of the above is a March 1991 bone scan which shows head trauma and bone injuries. Why was this bone scan never entered into the official court records?

In this post I have already addressed the bone scan issue. In that same post I also asked:

Could someone provide an article that states that the court does have this proof of evidence that Terri was indeed diagnosed/treated for bulimia and anorexia PRIOR to her heart stopping on that fateful day?

The article you posted says:

"But the doctor did not take a complete medical history that might have revealed an eating disorder."

So my question remains unanswered.

Here is yet another quote from your referenced article which seems to agree with the WND article that I posted earlier in this thread:

"Like almost every element in the case, whether Schiavo really was bulimic is in dispute. Her father, Robert Schindler, said he does not believe his daughter had an eating disorder and thinks her husband had something to do with her collapse. Michael Schiavo has denied hurting his wife."

Here is another interesting quote:

"During the malpractice case, at least one of Schiavo's friends testified they knew she was bulimic because after meals out, she always immediately excused herself to go to the bathroom. Her husband also knew she had peculiar eating patterns but did not realize they were dangerous, Fox said."

Did this friend follow Terri into the bathroom every time to verify that Terri was indeed purging herself or was Terri just doing what one usually goes there to do? After-all Terri was consuming a high amount of liquid during the day. Without actually reading the court transcript one will not really know just what this friend really said in court.

Another quote:

"Medical records from the hospital where Schiavo was treated after her collapse note that "she apparently has been trying to keep her weight down with dieting by herself, drinking liquids most of the time during the day and drinking about 10-15 glasses of iced tea." "

That statement alone does NOT prove that Terri had an eating disorder. On face value, it states that Terri was dieting and trying to keep her weight down. Many people that do not have eating disorders have done the same thing for short periods at a time, myself included. (And before you ask - no, I do not purge after eating a meal - never have, never will.)

In my opinion, it has been the courts, not the doctors, that have diagnosed Terri as having had bulimia by using third party doctors to express their opinions. These court doctors were NOT in a position to diagnose the disorder in Terri because they had never been able to do a personal examination of her prior to her collapse. Thus your article actually is nothing but expressed opinions which provide little proof that she was indeed bulimic prior to her collapse.

Doing unbiased research means that one must consider statements that are presented as fact on their own merit as to whether or not these statements are true or false. One cannot just dismiss facts just because they are written in a biased publication.

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