Posts by NewLight2

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THEY'RE CALLING MY BOSS!!

by new light in

i've been using the walk away, avoid elder contact play for a couple of months now.

my boss (an ms in a different cong.

) leaves me a message saying that the elders from my hall called him at his meeting last night.

NewLight2

Just to avoid any confusion -

The poster "New Light" and myself - NewLight2 are not the same posters. I was never a JW.

My Home Page is:
http://www.geocities.com/newlight_2/Links1.html

NewLight2's Discussion Forum
http://members2.boardhost.com/newlight2/?970193945

3

Radio-dating authenticates Biblical tunnel

by NewLight2 in

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994156 .

NewLight2

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994156

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URGENT HELP REQUESTED - JW LEGAL ISSUE

by Amazing in

i am currently working with a law firm that is involved prosecuting jw pedophile cases.

just over 2 years ago i posted a poll and its results on jwd.

you can read them below.

NewLight2

Amazing,

Good to see you back on the forum! I have not been on much lately, myself.

How Are you doing health wise? I'm sure you posted about it somewhere, so if you could just give me the URL that would be OK. I know this is off-topic to the thread, but at least it will keep it on the top. It is better then the btt.

NewLight2

20

Netscrape is dead !

by Simon in

... and it's long overdue imho.

aol have agreed to license ie for the forseeable future (at least 7 years) and have also signed up for media player 9 which must represent a major blow to real player and apple.

the two companies have also agreed to cooperate on im which should be good news for all of us (i guess yahoo won't have any option but to cooperate also or be left out).

NewLight2

pr_capone asks,

"New light... what is running inside your computer at the moment?"

It's an IBM Aptiva 166 Pentium.

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Netscrape is dead !

by Simon in

... and it's long overdue imho.

aol have agreed to license ie for the forseeable future (at least 7 years) and have also signed up for media player 9 which must represent a major blow to real player and apple.

the two companies have also agreed to cooperate on im which should be good news for all of us (i guess yahoo won't have any option but to cooperate also or be left out).

NewLight2

I have just had to run the "product recovery" CD on my computer because Windows95 got too corrupted to work right. As a result, I downloaded the latest copy of Opera and I don't like using it. It is waaaayyyy toooo slow for my computer. I still like using Netscape 3.04 with JavaScript turned OFF. I can download most pages really fast. Whereas, Opera takes about 5 minutes to download a page from this forum. I don't like waiting 5 minutes between pages!! Yes, I have an old computer and a dial-up (28k) account, but I can't afford a new 'puter. So I'm stuck using the old dinosaur. I vote for NETSCAPE!! NewLight2

63

Virgin Birth Claim Disproves Biblical Inspiration

by AlanF in

many bible believers claim that the old testament contains over 300 so-called messianic prophecies.

however, a careful look at such claims shows that at least 80% of these have absolutely no connection with jesus, or with events beyond what the ancient writer was concerned with.. take, for example, the famous example of the supposed virgin birth of jesus.

this is based on the text of matthew 1:18-23 (nasb):18 now the birth of jesus christ was as follows: when his mother mary had been betrothed to joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the holy spirit.

NewLight2

In a following post Newlight2 said:

: First of all, AlanF, you made a mistake -- in Isaiah 7:13-14 the person being spoken to was not Ahaz, it was the House of David -- the nation of Israel (Ahaz had correctly refused to test God):

AlanF - you have made another posting mistake - your second in this thread (the first was pointed out to you by Farkel). I did not make the above statement which continues at great length. That was posted by "UnDisfellowshipped" and it is he/she that has consulted with a Christian friend. We are NOT the same poster.

Please edit your post to reflect this mistake.

NewLight2

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Virgin Birth Claim Disproves Biblical Inspiration

by AlanF in

many bible believers claim that the old testament contains over 300 so-called messianic prophecies.

however, a careful look at such claims shows that at least 80% of these have absolutely no connection with jesus, or with events beyond what the ancient writer was concerned with.. take, for example, the famous example of the supposed virgin birth of jesus.

this is based on the text of matthew 1:18-23 (nasb):18 now the birth of jesus christ was as follows: when his mother mary had been betrothed to joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the holy spirit.

NewLight2

AlanF says:

"I consider this particular Abraham story to be complete myth. . .So here we have an example of a myth being used to support a claim of
Biblical inspiration. Is it any wonder that skeptics are skeptical?"

Where is your outside "proof" that the Isaac/Abraham story is a myth?
What ancient text can you cite that says that "this particular Abraham story to be complete myth"?

The Old Testament is one document. The New Testament is one document. They are two separate documents, however, combined they make up the one modern day book, the Bible. As two separate documents, they can justly be compared with each other. It is not circular reeasoning and special pleading to do this. I am not trying to "prove" insparation of the Bible here. Biblical typology is a method of interpretation. It is a method of study to compare and analize two documents by comparing one with the other. That is where the words "foreshadowed" and "typified" have their importance.

NewLight2

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Virgin Birth Claim Disproves Biblical Inspiration

by AlanF in

many bible believers claim that the old testament contains over 300 so-called messianic prophecies.

however, a careful look at such claims shows that at least 80% of these have absolutely no connection with jesus, or with events beyond what the ancient writer was concerned with.. take, for example, the famous example of the supposed virgin birth of jesus.

this is based on the text of matthew 1:18-23 (nasb):18 now the birth of jesus christ was as follows: when his mother mary had been betrothed to joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the holy spirit.

NewLight2

JamesT,

Where is your "proof" that these statements are true of Buddha, Horus,
et all? What I'm looking for here is solid documentation from ancient texts that state these things that are listed here by you. I know that I have read this list in a book before, but in that book there was NO corresponding "proof texts" given. How can one be sure that your "list of facts" are really FACTS? I need PROOF.

AlanF,

UnDisfellowshipped has stated:

"I believe that Matthew was saying that Isaiah 7:14 foreshadowed and typified the Messiah's birth -- I do not believe that Matthew is saying that the immediate or only fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14 is the Messiah's birth. In the same way, Abraham's near-sacrifice of Isaac foreshadowed and typified The Father sending The Son [Jesus Christ] to Earth to be sacrificed."

To which you answered:

"UnDisfellowshipped, your final arguments are a good example of the special pleading that I explained is a false argument. Answer this: If Isaiah 7:14 refers to a truly virgin birth for Jesus, then why does it not refer to a truly virgin birth for the child that was to be born in Ahaz' day?"

My questions to you are:

Why do you consider his answer to be "special pleading" in reference to the virgin birth but not to Abraham's near-sacrifice of Isaac?

The key to understanding this passage lies in the words foreshadowed and typified. The OLD Testament is revealed in the NEW Testament.

They both foreshadowed and typified events in the life of Jesus. Isaac DID NOT actually die, but Jesus did, therefore, the "maiden" in the Isaiah account DID NOT have to refer to a 'truly virgin birth for the child that was to be born in Ahaz' day' any more then Isaac had to actually die as a sacrifice.

NewLight2

2

Information Control Must End

by NewLight2 in

jw
friends

"all citizens are required to register their radios with the local police; foreign-made radios are tuned to the state radio frequency, soldered into place and sealed.

into the north.

in february radio free asia joined voice of .

NewLight2

This story is from our news.com.au network
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6098549%255E401,00.html

Bin Laden sons 'shot, captured'
By Anna Cock in New York
March 09, 2003

THE United States has refused to deny reports
that two of Osama bin Laden's sons including
his heir apparent to the al-Qaida terror network
have been captured in a gun battle with US
troops.

Then another News Source reports just the oppisite!

news.telegraph.co.uk

US counter-terrorism officials denied that the sons were captured.

Ummmmmm . . .

Seems like a major case of DIS-information being spread now in the war on Terror!

NewLight2

2

Information Control Must End

by NewLight2 in

jw
friends

"all citizens are required to register their radios with the local police; foreign-made radios are tuned to the state radio frequency, soldered into place and sealed.

into the north.

in february radio free asia joined voice of .

NewLight2

Doesn't this sound a bit familiar?

A whole Nation enslaved in a Mind/Information Control Cult??

"Under threat of severe penalties, the vast majority of North Korea's 22 million people are not allowed any contact with the outside world-- letters, telephone calls, travel, radio or television programs."

"All citizens are required to register their radios with the local police; foreign-made radios are tuned to the state radio frequency, soldered into place and sealed. The police then make unannounced inspections of households with foreign-made radios to verify that they have not been tampered with."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/3741018.html

Some see radio as key to freeing North Koreans from information blackout

Published March 9, 2003 RADI09

SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA -- As the Pentagon
studies moving tons of military hardware within
striking range of North Korea, some say the
weapon most feared by the Stalinist government
there may be a disposable radio the size of a
cigarette pack.

"Little throwaway radios, you listen, you throw
away -- the smaller the better, the more
disposable, the better," said the Rev. Douglas E.
Shin, a Korean-American human rights activist
who advocates smuggling thousands of tiny
radios capable of receiving foreign broadcasts
into the North.

Radio smuggling is part of a growing public and
private effort to crack an information monopoly
in the North that has helped keep the Kim
family in power for nearly 60 years. So tight is
the information blackout that defectors report
they believed that their country -- one of the
world's poorest -- was wealthier than South
Korea and that the United States donated rice as
a form of tribute to the Communist state.

In January Radio Free Asia and Voice of
America doubled their hours of
Korean-language broadcasting into North Korea.
In February Radio Free Asia joined Voice of
America in broadcasting into North Korea on
medium wave, accessible with cheap AM radios.

But the first challenge, skeptics note, is that few
people in the North have the radios -- or the
courage -- to listen to foreign broadcasts,
something advocates of the radio say they are
determined to change.

Under threat of severe penalties, the vast
majority of North Korea's 22 million people are
not allowed any contact with the outside world
-- letters, telephone calls, travel, radio or
television programs.

All citizens are required to register their radios
with the local police; foreign-made radios are
tuned to the state radio frequency, soldered into
place and sealed. The police then make
unannounced inspections of households with
foreign-made radios to verify that they have not
been tampered with.

"A lot of people in the White House believe the
Iron Curtain came down because U.S.
government radio supplied the information that
created the Velvet Revolution," said an
American diplomat in Seoul, referring to
Czechoslovakia's revolt against Communism.
"But in the case of North Korea, is it the sound
of one hand clapping? Is it getting in there?"

Advocates of smuggling radios into the North,
mostly human rights and Christian church
groups, say their effort is aimed at ensuring that
someone is indeed listening. Even if only a tiny
elite tune in, they say, the effect can be
powerful.

"The populace will suffer a kind of
psychological collapse when they learn what has
been done to them and what the real world is
really like," predicted Radek Sikorski, who grew
up listening to Voice of America and Radio Free
Europe in communist Poland and now works at
the American Enterprise Institute.

"Control of information is absolutely crucial to
the survival of this regime because the system is
based on lies," he said.

In a recent manifesto, Sikorski joined 16
American policy-makers in demanding that the
Bush administration tie talks with North Korea
over its nuclear weapons program to an opening
on human rights, including freer information.

The group called for "significantly expanding
the current, scandalously inadequate
Korean-language Radio Free Asia broadcasts."

Already, in a small office rented on the seventh
floor of a Seoul newspaper building, Radio Free
Asia broadcasters try to bring to North Koreans
four hours of news a day.

The radio also gives practical information for
defectors -- how to contact missionary groups in
northern China, how to dress and behave to
escape arrest and deportation to North Korea.

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reserved.