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  Jehovah`s Witnesses Do Not Have a Clergy Class.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no , they have the governing body { some would say the popes of the religion }.

  and you do not under any circumstance go against what they say./ .

  they also have branch overseers , district overseers .circuit overseers , and elders in a congregation .. they are all up and above the rank and file of the average ordinary jehovah`s witness and they are looked upon as such by the rank and file member as equivalent to a clergy class.. oh and lets not forget the legal department that has a lot to say in how the jehovah`s witness organization responds to allegations of child sexual abuse around the world.. and when an allegation arises about child sexual abuse the w.t.

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  As a prominent Elder - I felt like I was part of a clergy class.

  I got perks - I got tons of adulation - I got treated very different.

  Just no money:)
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  Do Circuit Overseers outrank Elders? Why can't they talk to disfellowshipped people?

  by garyneal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last sunday, our family went to the kingdom hall and i realized that this was the week that the circuit overseer was in town.

  when we sat down, i noticed he came over and talked to her then he walked away i guess to talk to others.

  a few minutes later, he returned to tell her that he could not talk to her because he was informed that she was disfelloshipped.

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  They do (of course they do without a question, anyone who says different is completely wrong) - and they can talk to DFed people, so can elders.

  What makes you think otherwise?
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  It is all BS.
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  Nowadays How Does One Become An Elder?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i was appointed jan 1 1980 and back then it was a big deal to“qualify”.

  i was the youngest elder appointed in the district!

  i actually studied everything from the societies publications and listened to anything i was told to do.

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  Kiss ass.

  I have seen the MOST unqualified men become elders by kissing ass and doing the 3 basic things you have to do.

  I am talking guys who could not speak in complete sentences.

  Guys who have NO command of the "scriptures" let alone understand their meaning.

  Guys who do not have the judgment of an average 10-year-old.

  And these are the ones educating and judging the sheep.
  It was intolerable, and being in their company was crushing.

  One such "brother" after proving he had NO right to even be a servant, over and over again, became an elder just because he had been trying so long, and the COBE just didn't want to say no anymore.
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  JW's All Over the Earth ...

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... are standing at trolleys every day - millions of hours every year - and never approach people with the "good news" - as per the instructions of the self-proclaimed "faithful slave" in the usa.. the forked tongue of the wt serpent speaks yet again:.

  w16 may pp.

  8-9 pars.

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  This scripture comes to mind.

  
  We are, for we are not peddlers of* the word of God+ as many men are, but we speak in all sincerity as sent from God, yes, in the sight of God and in company with Christ.
  
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  The Repression and Expression of Anger Among Jehovah's Witnesses

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  something which i always found surprising when i attended the kingdom halls i studied was how angry, even vicious, many jehovah's witnesses could become when a watchtower study featured some persons and/or institutions the organization disapproved of, say, higher education and educators, christendom and its clergy, apostates, etc.

  many seemed to sadistically enjoy denigrating these persons or institutions when the watchtower study conductor called on them and they were handed a microphone.

  i wondered for a long time where this anger came from, and i've developed a hypothesis for explaining this.. according to a book i'm reading by alice miller called "for your own good: hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence," children who are strictly controlled and abused (whether emotionally or physically) typically go on to unleash the anger they inevitably felt at their parents, but were never allowed to express, at their children or those around them.

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  I agree completely.

  I can tell you I have seen many elders act so cruel to those they were supposed to protect. They live these lives where they control nothing and have been deprived of so much.

  Well, the one thing they can control is the lives of the sheep. Love and understanding and forgiveness got set aside because of the frustration and anger that lives deep inside them, and they took it out on the sheep who needed love and care. Thus I saw how elders instead of showing understanding and mercy for a young sister who - dared to have sex - and then felt so guilty she confessed, called horrible things. Called "hot to trot" and "a sexpot". And funny enough I know that they lusted after her.

  Frustration and anger in the hands of uneducated, power hungry, fearful men is a recipe for disaster and much pain.

  I could go on and on with what I hated when I was an elder.

  Oh, and by the way, I was not immune to these feelings and actions.
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  "We're involved in a life saving work"?

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as my wife left for fs this morning (aka gossip and coffee time with her friends) she mentioned to me that one of the parts in the clam meeting this week was:.

  to remind the 'faithful' that, "we are involved in a life saving work!".

  so i just calmly mentioned to her that if he really wanted to, jehoober could save thousands of lives every day just by controlling the weather or providing just clean water or just a just a few loaves and fishes!.

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  The JW from my Cong were doing the Tract work yesterday in on my block.
  I was heading out so I said brief hellos to the 3 sisters who were right there.

  Life-saving work ha.

  Even when I was IN - I thought it was a colossal waste of time inviting people to the District Convention during the month campaign.

  Seriously - we could NOT get RVs and Bible Study to come for a 45 min Talk in the same town, and we were going to get people in the town to drive to a freak show convention 1 hr away?
  
  I was just happy doing it because it was so EASY to fake it.

  I always HATED service - and faked it as much as possible - even when I was a Pioneer.
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  Aurelius was a Stoic.

  A cucumber is bitter. Throw it away. There are briars in the road. Turn aside from them. This is enough. Do not add, "And why were such things made in the world?"
  
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  The god of the bible is in NO WAY a moral standard for anyone.
  He is the embodiment of evil.

  By the way, who invented the weapon that would slaughter millions and millions?
  

  So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eʹden the cherubsf and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life.
  

  Thanks loving god, what would adam and eve have done without knowing about swords.
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  Climbing Out of The Box

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been reading the blog of bruce gerencser, a 61 year old evangelical pastor who moved on to being an atheist and humanist.

  his description of climbing out of that box and the reasons why he did so will, i am sure, resonate with many of us on here.

  https://brucegerencser.net/2015/02/danger-box-makes-sense/.

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  You want a GREAT book along the same lines!
  I could have written this from a JW Elder who became an Athiest.

  https://www.amazon.com/Godless-Evangelical-Preacher-Americas-Atheists/dp/1569756775