Doesn't seem like they are eager to go D2D here (midwest US). The wife went to the KH one day last week and she and one teenage boy were the only ones to show up. She came right home to join the zoom group. This in a congregation with over twenty pioneers.
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Return door to door
by Hellothere inany news about how it's going with the return too door 2 door preaching?
are the jws excited about it?
are they facing any opposition to it by householders?
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My mom died.
by noni1974 init's been years since i posted here.
my jw mother died july 5th.
it was quite honestly not that emotional for me.
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dropoffyourkeylee
My condolences.
When my mom died I was really thrown for a loop, but when my dad died a few years later it didn't bother me a whole lot. I'm not sure why, but I understand where you are experiencing.
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Where did Enoch go - God transferred him?
by Fisherman ingod did not take the lives of the wicked contemporaries of enoch, instead he took the life of enoch.
and that seems like a great injustice to deprive innocent enoch of life instead of killing the wicked.
—i said seems.. a man goes to get surgery but first they give him an opiate like narcotic and he falls asleep gladly and with pleasure and euphoria.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I'm not hugely read up on this subject, but as Beli noted, there are volumes of non-Biblical references to Enoch. The stuff of legends; occasionally legends received brief mention in the Bible, and without the context of the source it is difficult to tell what the Bible verse is talking about. This reference to Enoch being 'taken' is one such reference to legend.
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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dropoffyourkeylee
I've read all the Studies and have been a keen observer of all things Watchtower for better than 40 years. Much of Russell's writings can be thrown in the dustbin of history; a product of the 1800's theological landscape of the US. I could be OK living with that in a religion's history, but virtually all the things about the JW religion which makes me just want to scream came from the scheming and devious minds of J F Rutherford and F W Franz.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I was watching a live stream of the Behavior channel and someone in the chat commented that the Queen had died, and this was at least an hour before the news broke. I don’t know how this person knew.
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1985 and baptism...I wish I had read this before today
by enoughisenough ini am posting a link as to being legally bound to jw rules at time of baptism.
i only did a quick skim, but what i gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered.
in 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Here is my two cents, for what it is worth:
The WT has always had (at least post-1919) a fixation on the criteria which defines who is a member of their faith. In Russell days they didn't worry too much about it, in fact they were proud to say they didn't have a creed or clergy, but were just Bible Students. Then when WW1 came along, Rutherford et al were giving out signed affidavits to 'members' to the effect that they belonged to a pacifist religion and thus exempt. In their trial, Rutherford was challenged to prove these persons were 'members', and couldn't do so. The boys had subscriptions to the WT and their fathers were often elected elders of an ecclesia, but that was just about all the documentation they had. Rutherford and the associates went to jail for violations of the Espionage Act. They were later released and their retrial never happened because the war ended and the prosecution dropped it.
Ever since then they have introduced things which were created or invented primarily in response to US draft laws. It was all about the US draft and keeping the WT leaders out of jail. The Espionage Act is still US law even to this day.
Recording field service time = documentation that someone is a 'minister'
Doctrine that 'all Jehovah's witnesses are ministers', even young boys = a way to get young boys of draft age to qualify for a ministerial exemption
Invention of 'publisher' = documentation that a person preaches, thus is a 'minister'
Invention of 'pioneer' = documentation of 'full time minister' status
Central organization of control/appointment of elders, rather than local 'elected' elders = documentation of who has qualification to be a minister
Ministry School = documentation that a boy has 'ministerial training'
Books such as 'Qualified to be Ministers' = shows their fixation on documentated qualifications
Publisher record cards = written documentation preserved so as to give the boys something to present to the draft board
Baptism candidate, 80 questions pre-baptism and 2 questions at baptism = Despite claims that they didn't have a 'creed', the questions served as documention that the candidate had completed some course of ministerial study.
There's probably more I can't think of right now. Although over time most of these things have become part of the religion and have morphed into something else, when they were first conceived and introduced to the JWs, it was all about the US draft.
I came to these conclusions some years ago after reading the court transcripts of the 1918 Rutherford trial and the 1954 Walsh case.
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Did you ever meet someone born in the 1800’s?
by Fisherman ini met freddie franz who was born in the 1880’s and many others from the 1880’s.
but as a very small child i remember someone very old aged 106 and that person was born around 1856 which means that he was around people from the 1700’s..
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Yes, quite a few. The oldest I specifically recall was 1889, my grandfather. Grandma was 1894. I remember another old lady who I took magazines to was born in 1892.
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Latest jw broadcast referring to allegations of protecting pedophiles
by jonahstourguide inhi folks.. i put this in abuse as i thought it relevant.. a physically in mentally out friend that considers our friendship greater than religion told me that on the latest broadcast steven lett alluded to satans voice being behind people that claim the organisation protects pedophiles.. my friend then went on to say they must be in damage control.. he added, but that is correct, they are hiding their internal records.
is not that construed as protecting the accused?.
if i get the inclination i may post a snippet of what was actually said.. sadly my friend is trying to protect his family relationships and so goes along with the charade.. his situation weighs on me but, as many of you here know, it can be a difficult road to travel.. jtg.
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dropoffyourkeylee
The WT goes through at at least 3 stages in damage control of issues:
1. Ignore the problem and hope people quit talking about it
2. Make guarded and cryptic statements in the literature (now including video) which address the questions indirectly. Only if you know the issue do you understand why they are wording the WT that way.
3. Address the accusations directly without going into much details, to dissuade the JWs from looking into it themselves. They are at this stage with the pedophile issue.
I would add a 4th, in which they write detailed articles addressing the accusations or points one-by-one, but the WT very seldom/ almost never does this.
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Two Bible teachings JW's DON'T know about....
by BoogerMan in....but the november 2022 study watchtower will definitely instruct them.. 1) god's name is jehovah!.
2) jehovah is using an earthly organization to do his will - not jesus!.
in study article 45, 'jehovah' is mentioned at least 60 times.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Just a question: anyone got any idea why the Watchtower alternates between "His organization" and "his organization" (capital 'H' and lower case 'h' when referring to God) in the November 2022 Study Watchtower?
Good question, maybe off topic for this OP, but I have always found this irksome. Conventional English grammar alows for capitalization of pronouns referring to the deity, but the WT is remarkably inconsistent in doing so. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
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Elders confidential September
by Mikejw infor elders.
announcements and reminders.
september 2022.
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dropoffyourkeylee
The Rating of outgoing speakers is entirely new to me. I thought I had heard everything, obviously not. I’ve heard a lot of really bad speakers, so the Rating scheme must have more than a few gaps.