Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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1961 1962 higher authorities

by Marcial in

are there among you, dear friends, a specialist in american associations from around the 1950s -1970s and a little more?

to find out from what years in the usa the first subsidies were granted to religious congregations and other non-profit or charitable associations?

why this question is that i just thought that there is perhaps a link between doctrinal clarifications over the years and government innovations to support or subsidize these supposedly charitable religious organizations or certain qualified ngos?

dropoffyourkeylee

Good comment SBF,

I came to the belief some time ago that many, if not most, of the doctrinal changes post JFR were based on legal maneuvering around two issues:

1) the US draft. Getting the brothers the Minister classification was front and center. Creation of the Ministry School, invention of "pioneer', 'Qualified to be ministers', all this stuff was invented to present to the courts that JW men were 'ministers'.

2) missionary status for JWs being sent overseas , which Knorr started post WW2. Hence the Gilead school which purported to be missionary training.

The 'superior authorities' 180 degree turn probably fit into one of these two strategies. 'We're not opposed to governments, we are subject to the laws of the country our missionaries are sent into' etc. It was all legal maneuvering

my two cents

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The Great "Dumbing Down"?

by NotFormer in

a few old timers on here often refer to the dumbing down of the jw organisation.

what examples can you think of from over the years?

(i ask as an interested outsider who was never in).

dropoffyourkeylee

What little printed material there may be is written at a third grade level.

Well put. One reason no doubt is that there are lots of JWs in the US who are approaching English as a second language. Despite that, the level of reading level required is very low.

Imagine going to a college level course and seeing that the textbook is written at the level of the current WT. You would probably walk out.

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1974 and all that

by Number 6 in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.

i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.

it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.

dropoffyourkeylee

I've watched the film and can see the numbers going up to 7000 on the front of the podium.
What am l missing?

Good question. As I recall, they were still teaching the chronology that 6000 years of man's existence, that is from the creation of Adam, was to end in 1975. The gentile times would end and usher in the next 1000 years (hence the '7000' on the platform) would be the Millenial reign. After that a perfect existence of eternity. The 7000 was the 7th creative day, and jived with the belief that each of the creative days was 7000 years long. All preposterous of course, but that is the chronology they inherited from the Russell days and still taught into the '70s.

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1974 and all that

by Number 6 in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.

i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.

it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.

dropoffyourkeylee

Cool, shame they wasted so much footage on the lame dramas. More views of the audence would have been more interesting, looking back at it 50 years later.

I was at a convention in '74, don't recall where.

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Rutherford's Grave

by vienne in

excellent research into j. f. rutherford's burial and grave site.. https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/09/judge-rutherfords-grave.html.

dropoffyourkeylee

Thanks! Rutherford buried under a Christmas tree. Gotta laugh

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Original Gilead Building

by dropoffyourkeylee in

recent photo:.

near ithaca ny.

dropoffyourkeylee

Followup:

The old Gilead building was apparently reused as the Lansing Residential Center, a sort of rehab facility for troubled youth (girls). The facility was shuttered in 2013 according to this article I found:

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2013/05/29/new-york-state-to-close-two-juvenile-justice-centers-including-lansing/2369645/

There is another complex of buildings very close by which is a secure prison. I'm not sure if the prison is on former WT land or if it just happens to be next door.

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What is Self-deception?

by Kosonen in

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friends

i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

dropoffyourkeylee

I don't know the source, but this is one of my favorite quotations: "The more intelligent a person is, the more sophisticated he or she is in the art of self-deception"

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Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

by MebyonKernow in

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friends

this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

dropoffyourkeylee

"I mean he's gone, and there's nuttin we could do about it"

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"the other sheep will feed the other sheep"

by enoughisenough in

interesting statement in this video...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zchsc1wedns.

dropoffyourkeylee

Well said,

no-zombie

Economics, in the sense of control of limited resources, ends up controlling everything. It brought down the Soviet Union, something we never dreamed would happen back when I was in school. It causes wars, revolutions, unrest. Ultimately it will be the demographically driven economics which will force the WT to either change or they will collapse. I figure they will find a way to change to survive as a social organism.

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Original Gilead Building

by dropoffyourkeylee in

recent photo:.

near ithaca ny.

dropoffyourkeylee

An attempt of a close up view of the word Gilead on the structure. I hope it is more visible. I find it interesting and humorous in a way that the present owners are OK with leaving it there.