Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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One paragraph for Pyramidology , Governmental Authorities and Charles Taze Russell

by Longlivetherenegades in

kudos to @terry on this one.

watchtower july 15, 1952 page 426......... however, coming from apostate religious systems these brought with them many beliefs and practices which were, in fact, just so much wood material, hay and stubble.

among such were the beliefs that it was necessary to develop a beautiful character to get to heaven and that that was a christian’s chief duty; the notion that christians must appear sanctimonious and pious, evincing more concern over what men thought than over what god thought; false teachings such as that the political powers of this wicked world were the “higher powers” of romans 13:1 who must be obeyed even though they contradicted god’s expressed commandments; that a pile of stone in egypt constituted a witness to jehovah (isa.

dropoffyourkeylee

It seems a bit strange that as late as 1952 (post-Rutherford) there was still a distinction being emphasized between Russell's time and beyond.

Some time ago I did a lot of reading of the post- Russell literature (both WT and non/former WT) and came to the belief that

much of the dialogue as in the '52 WT quote in the OP were part of a broader debate between the WT-adherents and the

breakaway movements. Particularly the Dawn movements and the LHMM, both of which were led by former Bible Students from the

Russell period and were publishing magazines. It was a sort of intellectual sparring between the WT writers (Franz mostly in this time period)

and the Bible Students (the 'evil slave' as they were labelled by the WT at the time).

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The FDS Photoshop

by Vanderhoven7 in

for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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from the february 2024 watchtower .

dropoffyourkeylee

Don't they have regular governing body meetings, like every week or something? Admittedly some are out travelling sometimes, or otherwise not in the same location every time, but surely they could get them all together at one time for a photo.

It just comes across as stupid.

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The FDS Photoshop

by Vanderhoven7 in

for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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from the february 2024 watchtower .

dropoffyourkeylee

Why they can’t get them all in the same room and take a photo is beyond me.

Hilarious!

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C.T. Russell, Occultist

by metatron in

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one aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.

adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.

were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.

dropoffyourkeylee

If one rejects the testimony of his associates, including P. S. L. Johnson and C. Woodworth, one must provide solid reasons for doing so. We see no grounds upon which to reject their testimony

I used to have some of P.S.L. Johnson's books in his 'Epiphany' series. I found it an insightful read, as I think they give a view of what the thoughts and beliefs of the early Bible Students which were not printed in WT literature. Johnson was one of the early 'Pilgrims', a person who traveled as a sort of evangelist to the various Bible Student ecclesias by their request (a bit like a circuit rider). He was very popular as a speaker and had quite a following, later breaking away and starting the LHMM. He was definitely an intelligent person, though by modern standards his writing comes across as odd and a bit loony. It is clear from his writing that he and the Bible Students of the time believed Russell to be 'that servant', and that Russell tacitly agreed. No question.

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Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?

by Sea Breeze in

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found this on fb from the recent losch talk.

time for a new business model?.

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dropoffyourkeylee

If the WTS can change the time reporting policy, they can introduce some form of individual tithing and just call it something else

I'm with Blondie on this one. When (not if, but when) they need to do so, they will start an obligatory donation. They'll spin it somehow and call it something else, but it will be a tithe in practice.

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C.T. Russell, Occultist

by metatron in

jw
friends

one aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.

adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.

were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.

dropoffyourkeylee

My take on this is that Russell was a product of his time and place. The late 1800's in the Northeast US, particular New York state, had all kinds of people open to pseudo science and other ideas we now know are complete bunk. Phrenology, Spiritualism, Egyptian Magic, you name it, someone was teaching it and writing books and magazines about it. Russell's hodgepodge of ideas found a ready audience in the time period.

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BREAKING NEWS | Highlights of 2023 Worldwide Service Year Report

by Drearyweather in

breaking news | highlights of 2023 worldwide service year report.

on november 15, 2023, the service committee of the governing body shared highlights of the 2023 worldwide service year report with the bethel family.

the following exciting increases were announced: baptisms: during the 2023 service year, 269,517 persons were baptized.

dropoffyourkeylee

I have never believed the oft-stated claim that the WT fudges their membership numbers. I have never doubted that they report the numbers that are received. The local counts of publishers, attendance at meetings and at conventions, is very diligently done so as to appear OCD. The reports of attendance and publishers that I see in the published reports are consistent with what I observe anecdotally. What they have done in recent years is lowering the bar so as to boost figures. A bible study being a 15 minute door conversation, people writing a letter for 15 minutes counts them as a publisher, etc. Now they just need to check a box; it can't get much lower than that.

Census figures, which tend to show more JWs than the WT does, indicates to me that there are lots of people who self-identify as JWs but do not report being publishers to the WT. The new box-checking may change that.

Money matters (above the Local KH level) are another animal. There is no transparency and I have a high degree of suspicion.

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New meeting format

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

dropoffyourkeylee

I've never looked at the app. Does it record monetary donations? If so, I wonder if they are heading towards using the record of donations as an indicator of spirituality.

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The Apostates' Handy JW Glossary

by Vanderhoven7 in

perhaps this has been printed here before...but still it gave me a few laughs...so here it is again.. the apostates' handy jw glossary.

by doug checketts.

"anointed" - an experience that, unfortunately, no "anointed" one has ever been able to explain.

dropoffyourkeylee

kudos

In the spirit of Ambrose Bierce

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New meeting format

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

dropoffyourkeylee

OK, I just watched at (1.5 speed) the AGM part 1 as posted at jw.org.

It has undoubtedly been edited, though if significant parts were edited out it is not readily apparent.

My takeaways:

There was lengthy discussion of tithing in Israel, with a buildup to the extent that I almost thought they were going to suggest 10% donation or something like that. But no, they left donations voluntary. I predict they may return to the subject in future years. Loesch just went on and on about it; surely there will be a followup sometime.

They made a distinction of different requirements from regular Israelites (giving the 10% tithe) and Nazirites, who are compared to present pioneers and special servants. This seemed to be their justification for requiring pioneers, etc to continue to report hours, while regular publishers simply check a box.

They released a 32 page brochure, something about starting conversations instead of prepared statements/sermons.

If they talked about the changes to the mid-week meeting structure I missed it. Maybe it will be in Part 2, which will be on jw.org in January sometime.