The photo of Rutherford and the others drinking is of a root beer dispenser. Not booze.
HowtheBible: I'd love to add the photos you saw to my archive collection. Will you please post them for us?
Posts by vienne
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33So how did JF Rutherford function...?
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inevery picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.
so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?
was he gay too?
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I need help finding ...
by vienne ini need help locating issues of the following magazines:.
j. h. paton's the world's hope [1882-1916] we have some issues but our research collection is sparse.. a. d. jones' zion's day star, later as day star.
] we have one issue.
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vienne
Hi everyone,
I need help locating issues of the following magazines:
J. H. Paton's The World's Hope [1882-1916] We have some issues but our research collection is sparse.
A. D. Jones' Zion's Day Star, later as Day Star. [1882-1886?] We have one issue. Some are in the Library of Congress but are, we're told, too fragile to copy. I can't afford the trip to view and photograph.
A. P. Adams' The Spirit of the Word. [1885-?] We have four years. They're marginally helpful, but we lack key years.
The Millennarian. Some issues at Columbia University. We can't afford the copy fee. If you live nearby and want to view them, I'd give you guidance on key issues.
H. B. Rice's The Last Trump [About six issues in 1878; revived as a local sheet about 1900] no known copies.
As we wind up volume 2 of Separate Identity and move on to volume 3, we will need these desperately.
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Need some research help
by JeffT inso i'm working on another (fictional) book project and i need some historical help.
i came into the borg in 1973, just as they were starting the new elder arrangement.
i know that before that there was a presiding overseer who (as i understand it) ran the show.
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vienne
The ruling elders were Congregation Servant [the boss], Assistant Congregation Servant [filled role similar to secretary], and Bible Study Servant [Promoted bible study activity]. They were the congregation committee supervising congregation functioning and 'judicial' matters.
The assistant and bible study servant were called ministerial servants. Other ministerial servants were Literature Servant, magazine servant, accounts servant, book study conductors, watchtower conductor ministry school servant. In most congregations these positions were filled by people already appointed to another office. The Congregation Servant might also have the watchtower study. The assistant might also have the ministry school. Book study conductors usually had another office. This is, i believe, how things stood in 1971.
Earlier eras had differing designations, though they performed the same work.
The watchtower book Your Word is a Lamp to my Feet would help with this. It shouldn't be hard to find.
Old Goat who sometimes posts here [he's 90 I think], was a Company Servant, the predecessor title for Congregation Servant. You might PM him if you need more information. But the 'service' booklets and books are mostly found online somewhere. Other than the Lamp book, these would be Preaching and Teaching, and the predecessor Organizational Instructions.
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What is Ibid?
by Belladonna75 inhi all, i'm diving deep into historical jw literature research and i keep seeing ibid as a frequently cited source - what is this?
i've tried the old google, but no luck.
does this stand for something (i'm probably missing something incredibly obvious) or have i spent too many hours reading 1930s the golden age magazines and depleted all my electrons already?
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vienne
May I suggest https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ as a resource for your historical research?
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JW Kids Bullying My Daughter
by pale.emperor intrying not to type swearwords as i write this so bare with me.. my little 3yo attends meetings with her jw mum (who doesn't believe watchtower anymore but is stuck in because she relies on her family for help).
my mum (the one who tells people im dead) had a party for her grandchildren.
that's my 4 nieces and 1 nephew aged from 3yo-11yo.
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vienne
Probably won't do a lick of good, but I'd write this all up naming names and send it to the Watchtower. It should make them blush for fostering this behavior.
My mother was baptized when I was 12, and I attended meetings with her. It was elder behavior that made me question everything I heard at Watchtower meetings. Within a year I had serious questions about doctrine, structure and behavior on the part of Witnesses.
I unloaded on John Barr when he visited our congregation. He listened. There was a result, but by that time I was certain that some doctrine was irretrievably broken, that the authority structure was not scriptural and the people as a whole did not know what love is.
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Which Bible Translation
by moreconfusedthanever ini have seen a few comments about the nwt being an altered version of the bible and i must admit that when they released the new one it did not sit right with me.. i want to read the bible but not the nwt.
i also do not want to read one that has the thee and thou and ye etc because that will do my head in.. what translations do you recommend?.
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vienne
NIV is as distorted as the NW. Try The Bible from 26 Translations. It draws from some of the most common and most useful translations. And for all its cost, saves money on buying many translations.
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Who Is The Most Unlike-Able Member Of The Governing Body?
by pale.emperor invote here: https://goo.gl/hynuaz.
results will be here: https://goo.gl/xsxm2j.
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vienne
When I was young a relative introduced me to several of the governing body. I would have gone anywhere with John Barr and his wife. They were lovely, caring people. I don't know any of the current batch, and, while I have an opinion about the public speaking skills of one of them, I have no opinion about them.
But my life isn't affected by any of them. I'm not a Witness, never was one. My experience with local elders is largely negative. So I can see why some here would see governing body members in a negative light.
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Had twin babies with a married JW?!?!?!?!?!?! advice & thoughts
by Gokumonkey inbefore i begin i just wanna say, im not proud of what i did, it was wrong but it happened now im just trying to do the right thing.. ok so im a "worldly" person and i meet a jw women at my job.
i had no idea she was married due to the fact that she hid her wedding ring.
i even ask if she was in a relationship and she denied it.
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Am I allowed to be skeptical? Whether or not I'm allowed, this smells bad.
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Seeking Recommendations for Key Leaflets/Books for a Paper
by Ja.Wein inhello friends,.
i am writing a paper on the teachings of the jws with a friend where we are going to debunk their bible translations and other false teachings/predictions the church has taught over the years.. i have never been a jw so this has put me in a bit of a pinch so i thought i would turn here to ask you guys for some help.. what are some of the key books/leaflets that debunk, or outline, the many false teachings/predictions of the jws?.
i asked jwfacts and he told me to ask here so i thought i would.. anyway, thanks..
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vienne
From my point of view, the one true essential flaw of all editions of the New World Translation is bad English grammar. I spent a huge amount of time comparing it to the New English Bible New Testament. The NWT was often technically better, but set against the better grammar of the NEB, it comes across as pale and amateurish. In nearly every case the NWT was more faithful to the Greek text, but its translators handled English as if it were not the translators' native language. They tried to do what Kenneth Wuest did, but with less success with the end product.
Most other issues raised against the NWT fall to valid alternative translation. [Notice I said most, not all. But here we're into debatable opinion.
Another observation. In your initial post you stated your intent to 'debunk' false teachings. Every writer brings their own beliefs to their project. But, writing with someone with beliefs contrary to my own, has taught me that it is far better to 'report' than criticize. Back in 1945 H. H. Hewitt, a sociologist, published his book The Jehovah's Witnesses. He misreported quotations, chose his material without regard to the full facts, and his personal doctrine crept into his text. His book is a failure because he turned from Sociologist to religious controversialist. As a result he manipulated 'facts.'
Witnesses aren't all dull minded. There is true genius among them, and if you present a distorted, inaccurate story, they will know it and they will savage it.
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Seeking Recommendations for Key Leaflets/Books for a Paper
by Ja.Wein inhello friends,.
i am writing a paper on the teachings of the jws with a friend where we are going to debunk their bible translations and other false teachings/predictions the church has taught over the years.. i have never been a jw so this has put me in a bit of a pinch so i thought i would turn here to ask you guys for some help.. what are some of the key books/leaflets that debunk, or outline, the many false teachings/predictions of the jws?.
i asked jwfacts and he told me to ask here so i thought i would.. anyway, thanks..
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vienne
Without seeing your outline, I'm reluctant to recommend specific literature. Almost all WatchTower publications are digitized and on a CD. Download and read. Use key word searched. The WT library is downloadable. The first years of the WT is sold on various disk sets. The WT from 1879 to 1916 is online. Other years are sold on disk. Do a search to find whoever is selling them currently.
I"m not writing this kind of book, but I think the key predictions made by the Watch Tower are for the years 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, implied events for the 1940s, 1975. That means you must search relevant issues of Watchtower magazines and publications for those years. Start with a basic google or yandex search. Just don't accept as valid everything you find.
For events between 1914 and 1925 you will want access to The National Labor Tribune and The St. Paul Enterprise. Both newspapers ran Bible Student news, often written by Bible Students. PSL Johnson wrote a huge series of books. He still has his followers, but, at the risk of offending his followers who come here, he is a fruit cake. But ... he lived through WT history from 1903 onward. Suspect everything he writes, but don't ignore it either.
You will need to read Millions Now Living Will Never Die. The Finished Mystery [1917 edition] will be an essential read. The Consolation [now Awake!] from 1937 to 1946. I don't know if all the Golden Age is available to you. But relevant material is found within it.
You may want to explore the 'return of the princes' doctrine and its evolution. There is a very rare Franz recording, but probably you'll do better reading the text material within the Watchtower.
Critiquing the NWT will require you to read it side by side with other translations. I recommend any of the online bible sites, The Bible from 26 Translations, the Kingdom Interlinear Translation. Just read the NWT until a question arises, then research the verses in question.
I write narrowly focused, detailed history. Your project appears to be a generalist approach. Craft your outline; make a list of questions; pursue them. You're trying to skip a research step. I used to advise my PhD students to read widely in the appropriate literature and then narrow their focus. Much of successful research is based on educated guesswork and serendipity. You find what you find because you actively look. That means time in tedious reading, cogitation, and careful notes.
I can't make detailed suggestions, because I'm not privy to your outline or approach.