Posts by vienne

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Can you identify this?

by vienne in

okay all you history buffs, compulsive researchers and simply curious: can you identify the location and date of this photo?.

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/05/district-assembly-itentify.html.

vienne

Okay all you history buffs, compulsive researchers and simply curious: Can you identify the location and date of this photo?

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/05/district-assembly-itentify.html

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

Joseph Priestly wrote an extensive history of non-Trinitarian belief in the post-Apostolic age. In fact many of the early writers were not Trinitarian. The OP is as guilty as the Watchtower in quoting selectively. I recommend reviewing Priestley's work, if you can find it.

Calling someone a "leading teacher" means nothing more that that they were well-known. It is not an endorsement of their teaching.

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Jehovah's Witnesses' "disfellowshipping" examined in Psychiatric Journal. "How Religious Shunning Ruins Lives".

by Balaamsass2 in

if it is illegal for minors to get married, enter into contracts, drink, and smoke, why is it legal for them to enter into lifelong religious contracts they can not break without family shunning and community ostracism????

how religious shunning ruins lives.

a form of institutionalized estrangement, shunning hurts health of the excluded.. updated march 27, 2024 |psychology today magazine.

vienne

Psychology Today is not a psychiatric journal. The two are not the same. This isn't a medical journal and the articles are not peer reviewed. Psychology Today is a 'popular' magazine meant for the general public. So it doesn't carry the same weight as The American Journal of Psychiatry or similar professional journals.

Use it with caution.

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

vienne

thank god. perhaps he is in a mental health facility.

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Rekindled Light — The Narrative Structure of the Hexaemeron (Genesis 1:1–31)

by Mebaqqer2 in

i used to comment here many years ago when i had an interest in biblical research in relation to jehovah’s witnesses.

these days my biblical research is little concerned with jehovah’s witnesses.

i feel my time is better spent researching the diachronistic development of the biblical text and ascertaining what the biblical writers and editors intended in the times in which they lived.. i have recently placed a summary diagram for a paper that i have written with original research entitled the narrative structure of the hexaemeron on academia.edu.

vienne

Examining literary forms isn't a total waste of time, but, if we're writing about a document's function in its original society, form adds little to our understanding. The Genesis creation story is the antithesis of those of surrounding cultures. It is clearly meant to set Yahwism in contrast to the beliefs of "outsiders."

I can visualize an elder sitting near the fire retelling this story to teach that Yahweh is the one true god.

Perhaps your time would be better spent examining the uses of this narrative within Hebrew society as shown by parallels found within scripture and by examining contrasts with neighboring religious. Just a suggestion.

Exposing another's lack of depth may not be the best way to educate them. Doing so tends to become insulting rather than educative. PSch's reply covers his/her own lack with insult and impatience.

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When will the Watchtower Society be desolated?

by Hiddenservant in

did you know that the answer is provided in the scriptures through the 70 weeks prophecy?.

daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy explained.. the 70 weeks were split into three parts.

here is the reason why.. the prophecy is not only about the messiah, it is also about god’s people and the holy city, as verse 24 makes clear.

vienne

Another prophet with mental health issues.

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Is the fight over?

by nicolaou in

i'm still digesting these changes and i think i'll reserve judgement for some months until we see how it all plays out in reality.. however, if the disfellowshipping process really has been de-fanged and shunning is beginning it's retreat into the society's past then what excuses will there be in the years to come for anyone who wants to leave?.

i can almost understand why they've done this.

more carrot, less stick.

vienne

Most of you will remember that I'm not a Witness and never have been. I've attended many meetings and conventions usually with my mom (I miss her terribly) while she was adding to her research notes. I have relatives who are Witnesses, including some who are elders.

Okay, got that? right. So of those, only one was ever disfellowshipped. He was an abusive drunk who went through two wives, tried to beat one of his sons and ran a fraud through his company. He turned to drug use. Eventually he was fired, blew through about four million dollars and put a bullet in his brain. I understand shunning someone like this. Or someone like Lloyd-Boy. Sunning is scriptural whether we wish it weren't or not. As practiced by Witnesses it has elements that do not seem scriptural to me. The latest change remedies most of those.

Attending meetings has left me with the impression that there is a noticeable lack of love and some have seemed positively unwelcoming. Last memorial I attended with my oldest sisters, both Witnesses. I found a seat and remained in it. None of the elders greeted me, even though I was an obvious stranger. In fact no one spoke to me but one elderly 'sister' who knew my mother and read her books. This is not as it should be.

I should amend the last paragraph. One 'brother' who used to be an elder spoke to me at length after the meeting. When he was an elder he tried to interfere with my mother's teaching, contacting the principal to have a book banned from mom's class. He's a creep, elder or not. The principal reminded him the class was an elective and he simply did not have to enroll his son in it. He makes my skin crawl, but he at least spoke to me.

I read as many of the Watchtower's internal documents as I can. As I see it their education system is poor. [My qualifications to express this opinion? Come June I'll have my MA with a double major; education and history.]

The problem with Witness education is that meant for elders is procedural and not scriptural. Where is the intensive chapter by chapter consideration of the Bible? They rely on the curiosity of appointed men, not on an education system that requires them to focus on scripture. The Governing Body and their assistants are allowed intensive Bible study. Mary Witness is not. She is confined to Watchtower publications. That's fine. They contain their doctrines and understandings. But that's nothing like an intensive study. I asked one of their long-serving elders a question about something in the Book of Hebrews. His answer, "I don't remember ever reading that scripture."

How can Watchtower clergy counsel, act in scriptural ways, teach, without having been thoroughly taught themselves? Because their education system fails in this way, one sees elders adapting Governing Body guidance to fit their own, often faulty, understanding of Scripture. Why is this?

The new guidance is a step toward scriptural responsibility. Its a good one. Not quite far enough, but good.

There are many things I like about Watchtower theology. Some I do not like. The Faithful Slave concept twists those verses to give stature to the Governing Body. Of course others also twist scripture: Trinitarians, Hell-fire believers, Catholics whose church is a remake of ancient religions layered over with Christian terms. Any who rely of patristics instead of the Bible alone.

I watch a few of the anti-Witness videos and come away with the same feeling. They turn insignificant elders' letters into a mountain. They're smarmy. And some who try to refute the NWT ignore current scholarship to do so. So both sides are 'black' here. A clergyman's videos I sometimes watch are continuing exposures of other clergy's behaviors. But his own beliefs seem extra-Biblical.

In the face of this, I can tolerate some Watchtower practices.

On this discussion board I find those who practice ad hominem: "Wash towel" "Jehoober". Please! You hate the Watchtower. Fine. You show yourself as incapable of anything but school-yard insult. No one needs a reason to leave the Witness organization. A simple, "I don't like this and do not want to follow this path" is enough.

Sorry for the long rant. I'm not done by any means. But this is enough.

Annie [AKA Anastasia Marie] and NOT "Hey Dude"

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

vienne

Since solid historical research shows that early disciples did not believe in a fiery hell, the original premise is wrong. Yet this is left without a comment?

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/953.5255#5255

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Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

by carla in

not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

i did a quick search and did not see it.

https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

vienne

He was an elder? The article I read said he was only a member of the congregation. Reprehensible no matter what.

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Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

by nowwhat? in

we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

vienne

To me the 1975 fiasco illustrates dichotomy between the standards prominent Witnesses are held and those to which the rank and file are held. If an elder or anyone for that matter had made the 1975 predictions, they'd have been counselled or disfellowshipped. Franz was given a pass because he was St. Fredrick.