Posts by vienne

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN THE BRITISH PRESS. "THE JEHOVAHS WITNESS CON" 8/3/2024

by Balaamsass2 in

new story on google news search today 8/3 for "jehovah".

dorsett eye: "the jehovahs witness con".

jehovah witnesses are hypocrites and false prophets who are conning themselves".

vienne

Poorly written. Posted on a forum open to everyone. This isn't even tabloid press. Ineffective.

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Have you seen a UFO/UAP?

by BoogerMan in

the acronym uap once stood for "unidentified aerial phenomena," until december 2022. .

then the pentagon updated its terminology to encompass "submerged and trans-medium objects.".

https://www.defense.gov/news/transcripts/transcript/article/3249303/usdis-ronald-moultrie-and-dr-sean-kirkpatrick-media-roundtable-on-the-all-domai/.

I've seen comets, satellites both Russian and US. (they have different orbital trajectories). I've seen Venus, Mars and other planets through a large telescope. I've seen druggies "flying high." And I saw the moon raising. Looked like a huge disk when behind clouds. But other than youtube videos, nope. Never seen a flying saucer, except for clay pigeons which are fun to blow out of the air. (yup, I'm not as good a shot as my mom was, but I can shoot.)

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WT needs your kids uneducated: CO training video is Master Class in F.O.G. This is jaw-droppingly stupid. Beyond moronic, it's sub-moronic.

by WingCommander in

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co training video: link to ex-jw reddit thread discussion.

today is the first time i was made aware of this actual elder body video.

it's training for how a co should handle elder's whose children decide to pursue further education.

vienne

This video and the policy it promotes are insane. I am, as many of you know, a recent graduate with a MA in history. Yes, university is challenging for conservative Christians. It puts them in an environment where their beliefs are challenged, sometimes daily. And there is definitely an associations problem. I get that. But the Watchtower has raised perhaps five generations counting from Rutherford's day of under educated, under performing, believers. Talk to them and one is amazed at how difficult basic logical thought is for them.

The Watchtower will probably not change this policy, but they should. At the least start their own college. Teach their religion to an academic standard; teach public health, nursing, accounting or such, things that allow their believers to live out of poverty and still work in the Witness ministry. Wishful thinking on my part. Won't ever happen.

What the Watchtower has done to its believer children is a sin.

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What Happens to Those Who Exit Jehovah’s Witnesses: An Investigation of the Impact of Shunning?

by LostintheFog1999 in

i don't know if this has been posted before but i think it is a very in-depth study and definitely worth sharing.. what happens to those who exit jehovah’s witnesses: an investigation of the impact of shunning?.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc9803876/ .

vienne

No one likes him, but M. makes a good point. https://bitterwinter.org/a-pseudo-investigation-criticizes-jehovahs-witnesses-shunning/

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Commentary To Revelation

by Kosonen in

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hello, i have made a commentary to revelation chapters 1 to 22.. you can find that at my youtube channel in separate videos or by downloading an mp3 file for the whole thing from the link in the description in the video below.

the mp3 file is 1 hour and 23 minutes long and i have used an ia voice reader to record it all.

it reads so much better than me.

vienne

Commentaries on the book of Revelation are a dime a dozen. And given your previous history here, that's a 'no.'

question

by vienne in

do we know the name and hopefully the email of the person who writes the bravehost pages on russell, rutherford, and modern witnesses?.

vienne

Do we know the name and hopefully the email of the person who writes the bravehost pages on Russell, Rutherford, and modern Witnesses?

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Separate Identity, vol 3

by vienne in

some of you have read the first two volumes of schulz and de vienne's separate identity series recounting the watch tower's early years.

uncle b is working steadily on volume three, the last in the series despite declining health.

a few rough draft paragraphs of chapter three are up on his blog.

vienne

I looked through mom's papers and called Uncle B. They never found more than what you can read in Separate Identity, volume one, pages 5-7. The Russells moved to Philadelphia about 1857. C. T. would have been about five years old. They lived at "1538 Lombard Street, in the densely populated Society Hill section." This seems to have been an area of lower middle class merchants and workers.

Joseph was a green grocer. His brother had interests in Philadelphia at the same time, but we do not know if they intertwined. "A daughter, Lucinda H. Russell, was born sometime in 1857. She died July 21, 1858, of scrofula, a tubercular infection of the lymph nodes in the neck. There was an unaccountably high incidence of scrofula in Philadelphia – about three times the national average. Contaminated milk, unsanitary environment, or parent-to-child transmission are all probable causes of the disease. Pasteur’s microbe experiments were about four years away, and physicians blamed scrofula on heredity. If the Russells asked the reason for Lucinda’s death, they would have been told that."

The Russells were involved in a Presbyterian church controversy, opting to attend a breakaway congregation: "While in Philadelphia the Russells were caught in a controversy among Presbyterians. On June 24, 1860, they joined the First Independent Church, formed around the choice of a pastor not accepted by the parent congregation. It was a Presbyterian body. Ann profoundly affected Charles Russell’s thinking. He recalled her as “a noble Christian woman whose instructions and example are still fresh to his memory and will never be forgotten”

C. T. Russell was about eight years old when they moved back to Allegheny, spending three years or slightly less of his life in Philadelphia. It is unlikely we would find more information. If you do, please share it.

Annie

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Separate Identity, vol 3

by vienne in

some of you have read the first two volumes of schulz and de vienne's separate identity series recounting the watch tower's early years.

uncle b is working steadily on volume three, the last in the series despite declining health.

a few rough draft paragraphs of chapter three are up on his blog.

vienne

Some of you have read the first two volumes of Schulz and de Vienne's Separate Identity series recounting the Watch Tower's early years. Uncle B is working steadily on volume three, the last in the series despite declining health. A few rough draft paragraphs of chapter three are up on his blog. This post is temporary and will come down soon.

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/07/a-temporary-post.html

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I need things ...

by vienne in

earliest issues of zion's day star, except for one, seem not to exist.

i have access to some scattered issues of a. p. adams' spirit of the word.

[sorry, i do not have permission to make copies.].

vienne

that was quick. I no longer need any issues of The Bulletin.