Posts by vienne

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Questions about WT illustrations

by Beck_Melbourne in

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when i was a kid....i used to look at the wt illustrations of paradise conditions and would day dream about life in the new system....i later used this same technique (shame on me) to brain wash bible students.

however...as i grew up lol (apparently!

) the illustrations changed....and became more modern.

vienne

when I was much younger than I am now, Mom, Uncle B and my aunt and a cousin toured Brooklyn Bethel. Many of the original paintings used as Watchtower illustrations hung in hallways. They were well-executed paintings. When translated to publication illustrations all that was lost, and they became quite ugly.

I wondered why they didn't use sketches and line drawings that would have translated to the page more effectively. Today, of course, they can print photographs which translate to text illustrations more clearly.

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Odd bit of Watch Tower history

by vienne in

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/08/1912-world-missionary-tour.html.

from russell's 1912 world tour.

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vienne

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/08/1912-world-missionary-tour.html

From Russell's 1912 World Tour.

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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

by aqwsed12345 in

1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

vienne

if you expect me to read all of that, you're delusional. Certainly you can defend your religion in a sentence or two. I do not care what "the church" - your religion of choice - teaches. I care what the Bible teaches. The Catholic Church would have been at home in its own temple in ancient Babylon. It's time you find what the Bible actually teaches instead of looking to a religion that rapes children, steals from the poor, teaches falsehood and consorts with criminals.

Are you incapable of accepting the Bible at its word? Are you incapable of writing something succinct?

Your verbal spew is not convincing.

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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

by aqwsed12345 in

1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

vienne

your church has never proclaimed christ's truth. identity as christian most certainly depends on behavior. matthew 7 says so. your church is run by "workers of lawlessnes." hence it is not christian. calling reports of catholic unfaithfulness and lawlessnes myth is moronic. it's escapism.

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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

by joey jojo in

im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

vienne

Exodus 13:13 commands them to redeem their firstborn sons. This was done by paying the priests five silver shekels.

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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

by aqwsed12345 in

1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

vienne

Catholic doctrine is not apostolic. So while they may see a centuries long connected chain, it is a connected history of apostasy. The OP's pervious posts defended the Trinity, the veneration of Mary and other such nonsense that all derive from pagan worship. The Catholic church's history of murder and repine - something that continues - shows it to be anything but Christian. It is Christian in name only.

The past century Witnessed the kidnapping and murder of a young woman, a resident of Vatican City; the concordant with Hitler; the compromise of the Catholic Centralist party in Nazi Germany; the hiding of war criminals, financial 'mismanagement'; interference in and threats to Central American states; priestly support for the Argentinian dictatorship; murders and rapes in Catholic run Canadian schools for indigenous children. None of this is Christ - Like behavior. And none of it is new. And similar things continue. Yet, the OP thinks he's part of and defending the one true church. That's deranged thinking.

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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

by aqwsed12345 in

1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

vienne

The issue isn't an "unbroken history," but continuity of doctrine from the first century. that can't be established for the Roman church.

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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

by aqwsed12345 in

1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

vienne

There is so much "fake history" in the original post that it is startling. but not surprising. the op is mentally and historically blind.

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Why Is Watchtower (Supposedly a Family Friendly Christian Publisher) Obsessed with Oral Sex?

by Sea Breeze in

if you do a search on the wt website and type in "oral sex", you will get 69 results.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=oral+sex&p=par&r=occ&st=a .

why does the wt.

vienne

Seems to me that the one obsessed with oral sex would be you. It's not a publisher's responsibility to guide our children. It's a parent's responsibility. If you look at other "Christian" web pages and videos, you will find a consistent obsession with oral sex and its morality. The Watchtower is neither better nor worse than the rest of them.

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

vienne

And YOU are continuing it. Grow up, at least a little