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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  vienne

  I put off posting this hoping someone else would address it. Didn't happen.

  This responds to an earlier post by SeaBr. He/she posted an image of a tablet, claiming that it called Jesus God. He/She claimed it dated to 230 CE. He/She also wrote: “This is 100 years before Christianity became the state religion and was supposedly corrupted by Constantine according to Watchtower.”

  In point of fact, the date is in dispute. That’s true of most finds from this era, and I’m not competent enough to add to that debate. However, the tablet does not call Jesus God. The tablet lists women honored by the church. The only reference to Jesus is in the lower right corner. There we find the Greek word “ichthys” (fish). It’s an acronym for Iesous Christos. Theou Yios Soter; Ιησουζ Χρισιοζ Θεου Υιοζ Σωτηρ. Translated, that’s “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior”

  In that light, the tablet does not call Jesus God. It names him as the son of God. Despite Trinitarian twisting of scripture, it limits Jesus’ station to that of son. Paul reminds us that the Father is Jesus' God, “the God and father of our lord Jesus.”

  The Watchtower does not point to Constantine was the corrupter of Christianity in the sense that he was responsible for the Great Apostasy. They date its origin to late in the Apostolic Era, citing 2 Thess. 2:7. Mainline Protestants sometime date the Catholic Apostasy to Constantine’s day. What the Watchtower has claimed is that by an organizing council he founded “Christendom.”
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  BEROEAN PICKETS:- VIcky And Mike's Story. "Judged To Be Like The Antichrist "

  by buzkid in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  vicky and mike hobbs are ex jehovah’s witnesses and ex beroean pickets members their personal statements and experiences within the beroean pickets bible study groups wasn't pleasant.

  and vicky was likened to the antichrist because of her differing views.

  spiritual abuse is becoming more widespread and the purpose of this interview is to raise awareness, provide education around spiritual and religious abuse, and to keep the public safe.

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  vienne

  Can we revert to the actual topic? Hijacking the thread is too common. If you need to pursue another issue, start a new thread or send a private message.
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  Prepare to get Pelted by Symbolic Hailstones

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/idhmflud3p4?si=9xc4svrhxslduwvz.

  so david schafer a member of the teaching commitee and a helper to the governing body has come out yesterday with a new video that goes through the king of the north, the hailstones message and other things in the wake of the possibility of a ww3 and especially now that tensions are escalating with russia so he is making quite a few end time arguments and i will be expanding on those one by one but today let's see what he has about the hailstones message of the end(video) so this is the paragraph in question, paragraph 14 from article 20 of the watchtower 2020 study edition: "sometime after the start of the great tribulation, “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” will form a coalition of nations.

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  vienne

  Schaffer is smarmy, and his presentation is speculative. When a sermonizer says "it could be" it calls into question all his points. If one cannot say with sound proof that somethin "is" then do not say it
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  He's pathetic. But he gives us something to do.
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  Historian and former JW Jim Penton dies

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. current

  i don’t know a lot about james penton but i think he deserves a better thread than the one currently on offer.

  james penton, who died recently, grew up in a jw family in canada and served as an elder.

  unusually for a jw, he studied liberal arts at university and became a history professor.

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  vienne

  Mom and Dr. Penton corresponded off and on. He said nice things about the Separate Identity series, including, "they've done things no one else had done." He seemed a very nice man, though upsetting to Witnesses. He will be missed.
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  TruthHistory.blogspot is not my blog. I do not contribute to it. Either you can use google, or you cannot. There are at least two obituaries on the internet. Find them ... if you can.

  I did not write the book or contribute to it in anyway. I was a child when mom and Dr. Schulz were writing it. You are grasping as straws. Theologically and psychologically. The claims of Masonic background are ... well, ... groundless. For you they're a tool to express your anger at being disfellowshipped. Fine. You continue to shout it out. But few if any will believe you. When you cannot refute something said here, you attack. I had a dog like that when I was a child. She was a very mean bitch. We had her put down.

  More to the point, Russell was not a mason. The memorial pyramid was designed and built after his death to reflect Watchtower belief that the cap stone of the great pyramid represented Jesus. You believe a myth because it brings you comfort and helps you escape your personality disorders.
  

  You have become an uninventive troll with one message. You should be a sober-minded contributor. Won't happen. (I doubt you'll ever overcome your alcoholism, but you should consider AA.) You'll come back each time you're deleted here only to be tossed again, because you have no self-control. Only boiling anger.

  I doubt you'll ever overcome your anti-social personality disorder. It is very sad. You seem to need me as a release for your anger and intellectual nonsense. Super. I charge for counselling, but this session is free.
  
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  She, the banned troll,

  I cannot answer for my mother who is quite dead. Even in that state, she is smarter than you. Moron, I didn't write the book. Dr. Schulz and R. M. de Vienne, Phd (my mother) did.

  Her death notice:

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2019/03/our-princess.html
  
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  Catholic troll,

  The op did not ask for a refutation but for the origin of the doctrine in Watchtower theology. For once, stick to the topic.
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  I just made a video that every JW should see.

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just made a video every jw should see.

  the aim of this video is to help jehovah's witnesses be more open to constructive critisism, especially from their own members, that are swiftly excommunicated /disfellowshipped/ removed from the congregation if they dare to point out their religion's flaws concerning doctrine and practises, even when there is scriptural evidence.

  i have first hand experience of that.. https://youtu.be/71zcv7lux3g.

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  vienne

  oh dear, masons is back with a new name. how swell
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  I just made a video that every JW should see.

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just made a video every jw should see.

  the aim of this video is to help jehovah's witnesses be more open to constructive critisism, especially from their own members, that are swiftly excommunicated /disfellowshipped/ removed from the congregation if they dare to point out their religion's flaws concerning doctrine and practises, even when there is scriptural evidence.

  i have first hand experience of that.. https://youtu.be/71zcv7lux3g.

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  vienne

  I've said it before. I'll say it again. You need mental health counseling.