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  WT History

  by vienne in

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  for those interested in watchtower history: new photos and such on uncle b's history blog:.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  vienne

  Biahi,

  What a kind offer. However, I no longer provide my physical address since an uninvited argumentative, probably a bit mental, 'guest' showed up at our front door. A nice scan would be great.

  Annie
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  WT History

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those interested in watchtower history: new photos and such on uncle b's history blog:.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  vienne

  For those interested in Watchtower history: New photos and such on Uncle B's history blog:

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  does he have a pending warrent in the UK?
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  American Primeval and the Mormons

  by Simon in

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  just finished season 1 on netflix.. holy crap, i had no idea of the history of the mormons!.

  i always thought they were like the jws, or the quakers, but they were full on fascists committing massacres.. i'm sure they are hating having more people be aware of their past, but i gotta say, it is more event-filled than the jw history..

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  In my 3rd Great Grandmother's autobiography, she tells of warnings against Mormon violence as she and her family crossed the plains in 1854. Also she mentions something about Mormon violence in California. Interesting, but I've never followed up on it.
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  American Primeval and the Mormons

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  just finished season 1 on netflix.. holy crap, i had no idea of the history of the mormons!.

  i always thought they were like the jws, or the quakers, but they were full on fascists committing massacres.. i'm sure they are hating having more people be aware of their past, but i gotta say, it is more event-filled than the jw history..

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  vienne

  Witnesses aren't Millerites. They're a modern version of 17-19th Century British and Continental Literalism. Big difference. Much of Russellite doctrine came from what was then called "age to come." That's not Adventism. That's Literalism. See my mom's introduction to Separate Identity, vol 2.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  I noticed that a recently completed PhD thesis cited him as a source. That is academic moronism.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  WingC,

  Crude, rude, and spot on.
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  Age Appropriate Friends

  by Riley in

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  2. friends

  we have a 25 year guy in our hall who is also a pioneer (which means he lives off his parents money), who likes to spend a lot of time with a 16 year old girl in the hall.

  it is usually in a group setting but he seems to gravitate toward her.

  he even has her auxilary pioneering , which is something i don't think any student trying to make the grades needs.

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  vienne

  Where are her parents? Are they brain dead? Or are they just happy to have a babysitter who might eventually marry their daughter and take her off their hands?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  Evans is a narcissist struggling with reality. Reality is winning. He's like Muslim leaders who lose in war but proclaim it a great victory. He is, as my mom might have said, a "fruitcake."
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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  Paul wrote at 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

  Matthew 12:40 has Jesus saying: “just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”

  Jesus wasn't in paradise on his death. He was in the grave, as Paul wrote "according to the Scriptures." Ergo, the proper coma placement is: "Truly, I tell you today," not "I tell you, today."

  The ἀμήν (amen, truly, verily) at Luke 23:43 indicates a fixed, firm pronouncement. There is no thought of: "Okay this is truth, but I might lie to you later."