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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

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  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  Maybe, that's nonsense. When proof, such as it was, was finally presented, then it was time to comment. And everyone who says the Watchtower 'joined' the UN is a twit. Only a nation state can join the UN. Most comments about the Watchtower's connection to the UN are off the mark and fail thereby.

  Any claim that cannot be proved makes a rational person doubt both it and the person posting it.

  It's a logic flaw to suggest one event proves another without an overt connection or firm, documented proof.
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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

  1. jw
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  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  When my mom and I attended meetings a woman claimed that all of the elders, especially one of them, had sexually abused her child. No proof, and eventually she went into a mental health facility. That has left me cautious about unsupported claims.

  And to the person who 'down voted' my previous post, "You're an idiot."
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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

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  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  It is foolish to post things like this when there is no proof yet. It opens this site and every other one that posts this to a defamation suit. Let's have a little caution here.
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  trolls?

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. entertainment

  didn't know where to post this topic so put it under entertainment....what do you thinks trolls are wanting to accomplish on this forum?

  are they in it for entertainment?

  are they doing research for the 9 faithful frauds?

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  seems to me the original post is a troll.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I would like to see is patrons drop to zero. Won't happen, of course. There are always those who disregard moral and ethical considerations. And there is a strong probability that some of his supporters were disfellowshipped for folly far worse than his. They'll always stick around, at least until they become so bored with his nonsense that they find another voice to support.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Look back at Lloyd-boy's past interactions here, I ran across him scolding one of mom's real life friends who was on here as oldgoat. I remember oldgoat. We used to meet him in Portland, Oregon, for coffee and snacks, and he and mom would talk history. Two former professors talking shop. Anyway OG commented on a photo that Lloyd thought showed Watchtower hypocrisy because the convention hall was adorned with US flags. Not only was this long before the flag salute issue, but the flags were left over from a previous event. He ranted at OG for the correction.

  That's Lloyd's style. No one must question him in any fashion or doubt anything he might have claimed as true. Lloyd is boring. And I think that and his mental issues are his greatest fault.
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  Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

  by aqwsed12345 in

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  2. bible

  the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

  the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

  he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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  Either Ecclesiastes is inspired or not. You cant have it both ways. If inspired, it is the inerrant word of God. If not, your Bible is corrupt and the whole falls with the part. If inspired, then the dead truly know not anything, or Holy Spirit lied.

  Your attempt at emulating Jesuitical thought is exceedingly poor.
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  Why are aqwsed12345 post`s so long ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  there is no way i will even try to read such long posts and i`m sure many others here would agree with me.. smiddy3.

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  He hopes to persuade with many words. He fails ."When words are many, transgression cannot be avoided,"
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  JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  (acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

  " *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

  w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

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  Paul spoke in response to a direct address. This is not the same as a prayer to Jesus. Your point is a 'false analogy,' a common logic fault.

  In Stephen's case the Bible says: "54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”"

  He saw Jesus and God in vision. [Note that the verses describe Jesus as at God's right hand and not as God himself.] Stephen addresses his petition to a Jesus he sees. This is a conversational transaction. If you pray to Jesus, then shouldn't you follow the pattern set by these verses, and only address him when you SEE him?

  Your point is poorly thought out.
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  Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

  and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

  but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

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  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels - Mt. 25 :31

  The fire is everlasting, but it does not say those thrown in it are.

  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Mt. 10: 28

  This says that the soul dies. If something is destroyed, it no longer exists.