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Today's "gay-bashing" and other embarrassing content public talk!
by stuckinarut2 inoh wow..... the public talk today is certainly embarrassing for witnesses!.
started (completely left field too...seemed to come out of nowhere) with condemning homosexuality, and anyone who even tolerates it.
if you like tv shows or movies with gay characters, you are "just as bad" (eg modern family tv show).
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Today's "gay-bashing" and other embarrassing content public talk!
by stuckinarut2 inoh wow..... the public talk today is certainly embarrassing for witnesses!.
started (completely left field too...seemed to come out of nowhere) with condemning homosexuality, and anyone who even tolerates it.
if you like tv shows or movies with gay characters, you are "just as bad" (eg modern family tv show).
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matt2414
Witness My Fury: The greek work for the NWT's "men who lie with men" is arsenokoitai. It seems to be a word coined by Paul. Strong's Concordance translates it as: Ar-sane: Male, man and Koy-tay: A couch; by extension, cohabitation; by impl. the male sperm: bed, chambering, X conceive. Many scholars say it refers to male temple prostitution. In Paul's day, men knew sex with a female temple prostitute would be wrong, but perhaps it would not be so bad with a male prostitute. Paul made it clear in at 1 Cor. 6:9-11 that such acts were also wrong. (Notice how Paul did not mention "women lying with women"?)
Why would Paul need to make such a statement? Just two weeks ago the National Center for Health Statistics reported that only 2 percent of the population is gay, 3 percent if you add bisexuals. However, a whopping 12 to 15 percent of straight -- and many married -- men admit to occassional sexual encounters with other men. (That figure is likely much higher when you consider that most straight men refuse to participate in such surveys.) The percentage in the first century was likely much higher because pederasty was still acceptable among some Greeks and so was sex with male temple prostitutes. So the question is: Was Paul refering to homosexuality as it is known in 2014 and only involes a tiny percentage of the population, or was he refering to a larger population of straight men (many married) in his day who widely practiced idolatry by having sex with male temple prostitutes and had sex with young boys? All of this is well documented in history, but churches -- including the Jehovah's Witnesses -- need a target to rally their members, much like the Pharisees did with lepers and women in Jesus' day.
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Today's "gay-bashing" and other embarrassing content public talk!
by stuckinarut2 inoh wow..... the public talk today is certainly embarrassing for witnesses!.
started (completely left field too...seemed to come out of nowhere) with condemning homosexuality, and anyone who even tolerates it.
if you like tv shows or movies with gay characters, you are "just as bad" (eg modern family tv show).
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matt2414
As I've stated before, I'll state again, the Bible says NOTHING about homosexuality. Anyone who says it does brings into question their qualifications for talking about the Bible. I challenge any governing body member to show me any place in the Bible that mentions the word "homosexual." If they refuse my challenge, they in effect are tacitly admitting they are frauds. By the way, they have to use a real Bible based on the original Bible languages and translated by real scholars. Not the New World Translation or others that are paraphrased or are based on personal opinion or have introduced the word "homosexual" into the text where it does not originally exist.
Any GB takers? ... I'm waiting...
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All morals are dead. Pedophilia soon to follow.
by defender of truth in13 jul 2014. trottigy, on 12 jul 2014 - 9:25 pm, said:.
"yes, sadly it is only a matter of time before pedophilia and incest becomes an "alternative lifestyle".
it was true in parts of canaan and rome.
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matt2414
All of this is now a non-issue. Most intelligent people were so outraged by this judge's comparing homosexuality to incest that he has been suspended from all criminal cases, including the one in question. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/attorney-general-hits-out-at-nsw-judge-over-controversial-incest-remarks.
But what I find even more outrageous are the despicable comments made over on the JW Talks Forum. http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16059-wow-all-morals-are-dead-judge-says-incest-is-no-longer-taboo/
What an embarrassment to Watchtower by allowing its members to spew such stupidity and hate. It's a reflection of the organization as a whole and its leaders. They're claiming this case in question is opening the door to pedophilia, so Armageddon needs to come and destroy everyone. What ignorance! The article they supposedly read only quotes the view of one misguided judge; it doesn't say anyone agrees with him. And that's why God needs to destroy everyone? Wow! It's hard to find the love of Christ there. No wonder the org. is hemorrhaging followers.
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The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.
by truthwillsetyoufree inplease spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.
i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.
every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.
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matt2414
In my congregation, it was considered improper for a brother to be alone with a sister who was not his wife. If the brother were gay, he was not to be alone with another brother either. Basically, he was treated like a leper in Bible times. In Truthwillsetyoufree's case, it sounds like the elders took it upon themselves to yell out "Unclean! Unclean!" to the congregation. I guess they never made it to the part in the Bible where God says, "It is not good for the man to be alone." God only said that after Adam observed all the other animals with companions, both straight and gay. Wait, that's in Genesis chapter 2. They should have read that, shouldn't they?
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How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?
by minimus inwould you say this board gives accurate information, overall?
if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.
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matt2414
I've noticed that when doctrinal, scriptural or even scientific matters are discussed, others invariably chime in with supporting and even contradictory information often citing sources. While it may not be perfect or even "accurate," it is a more complete discussion than you would find in the pages of the Watchtower or Awake, where the supporting "evidence" is at most pulled out of someone's ass.
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jw.org getting out of hand
by Gorbatchov init seems the watchtower staff have made a runaway train with the introduction of the mark jw.org.. the combination of using a gadget driven platform and the fact that the common jw is low educated and easely influenced.
by new occurrings in their religion makes the situation getting out of hand.. proof: gb members wearing jw.org buttons during their speech, gifts with jw.org are given away, umbrellas with the jw.org are available.
jw.org is more important then god, his son and the gospel.. it's the gadget and the jw.org mark that counts.. i am so happy my grandparents are not confronted with these idiots.. it's a runaway train heading to the end of the track.. gorby .
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matt2414
Could the brand "JW.ORG" be the new 666?
Rev. 13:11-18 says the second beast "spoke like a dragon," "deceived the inhabitants of the earth," set up an image to be worshipped, caused "all who refused to worship the beast to be killed," and " forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads." Kind of sounds like how the governing body is forcing the Jdubs to worship its "earthly organization" and manmade symbol "JW.ORG."
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Changes to Watchtower publication pictures
by rory-ks in.
are there any more examples like this?
pictures changed because a person was disfellowshipped?.
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matt2414
Guides on the Brooklyn Bethel tours used to tell visitors that the cover of the publications could be changed to target certain audiences. For example, brochures with white people in the pictures would be changed to pictures with black individuals if the publication was to be used in a country where blacks were the dominate race, such as in Africa and certain Caribbean islands. There were even displays of certain magazine issues and brochures along with their various covers, depending on the language and country they would be going to. That being said, I had heard that some pictures would be changed or altered if it was widely known that an individual depicted in a current publication was no longer a Witness.
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Birthday celebration/participation
by Zana inmy wife is considering to let our kids participate, maybe even celebrate their own birthdays.
she says what can be so bad about just giving a little kid (who doesn't yet understand the bible) a day full of joy and happiness?
she herself actually delayed her own baptism as a teenager in order to celebrate one more birthday.
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matt2414
Not celebrating birthdays because of what happened thousands of years ago and may or may not happen today is actually a superstition that the Witnesses have invented. According to most dictionaries, superstitions are usually based on fear of the unknown or religious ignorance. Interestingly, Wikipedia points out that "the word superstition is sometimes used to refer to religious practices (e.g., Voodoo) other than the one prevailing in a given society (e.g., Christianity in western culture), although the prevailing religion may contain just as many superstitious beliefs."
Not throwing rice at a wedding or saying a toast at a party are also part of the Witness-sanctioned superstitious beliefs. Similar to superstitiously throwing salt over your left shoulder after knocking over a salt shaker, Witnesses have to repent after celebrating a birthday or saying a toast, etc., or else something bad from God will befall them. The more the Witnesses try to stand out as different from Pagan religions, the more they look just like them.
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80 Year old COBE Layoff Conspiracy
by XBEHERE inwho else thinks something is afoot with this?
is the gb deciding to go back to pre-1971 times with perhaps the cobe as the man in charge and the rest just ministerial servants.
so for this reason they want younger men in those postitions?
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matt2414
There's obviously more here than the GB is saying. I find it hard to believe it's simply because those 80 and older may not be tech savvy. Samuel Herd is about 80 and several other GB members are right behind him. It's not likely many of the GB know much about new media either. It used to be, not long ago, that the organization said it focused more on spiritual things rather than material, or for that matter, technological. (Remember the rantings about the Internet, bulletin boards, chat rooms and more recently Facebook?) Because there is no scriptural basis for this move, there must be more going on here than meets the eye.