They mentioned that millions malarkey in the book study last night.
Talking about how many tuned in the the society radio station WBBR and heard Rutherturd give that talk.
No mention of it being wrong LOL
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19Millions now living will never die
by stillin inbut pretty much all of them are now dead.
and so are billions of others.
so, god doesn't desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance?
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JWs in Russia- "Pray for those in prison"
by NikL inlast night at the midweek meeting was a part titled "pray for those in prison" or something like that.. they showed a video all about the witnesses in russia and the court battles they've been fighting of late and the hard time they have been having because of it all.. the first thing that struck me, hey, why don't you a** holes in brooklyn send these poor sods a few rubles to help them along?.
nah!
prayer is what they need.. anyway, i hadn't really followed the story so i thought i would look it up this morning and see what was in the media about the story.. on the npr website they had a big write up about it back in may of last year.... http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/17/476898973/russias-jehovahs-witnesses-fight-extremist-label-possible-ban.
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Last night at the midweek meeting was a part titled "pray for those in Prison" or something like that.
They showed a video all about the witnesses in Russia and the court battles they've been fighting of late and the hard time they have been having because of it all.
The first thing that struck me, hey, why don't you a** holes in Brooklyn send these poor sods a few rubles to help them along?
Nah! Prayer is what they need.
Anyway, I hadn't really followed the story so I thought I would look it up this morning and see what was in the media about the story.
On the NPR website they had a big write up about it back in May of last year...
So it appears that the JWs are an extremist group!
Of course the banter at the hall is how ridiculous that is etc.
But look at how the Russians have defines extremist...
The Russian Constitution guarantees basic human rights, including freedom of speech, expression, and association. At the same time, it prohibits public associations that are aimed at forcibly changing the fundamental principles of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation; undermining its security; setting up armed units; and instigating social, racial, national, and religious strife.[1] Also, propaganda promoting social, racial, national, or religious enmity or the instigation of such enmity, as well as propaganda promoting social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy,[2] are prohibited.
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/fighting-extremism/russia.php
So by Russian standards the JWs are indeed a "extremist group"
As was quoted in the NPR story...
"In their literature, there are some very harsh statements and very insulting statements about other faiths," says Alexander Dvorkin, a former Russian Orthodox priest who now teaches the history of religion and cult studies at St. Tikhon University in Moscow. "Of course, every religion has the right to criticize other faiths, but that should be done in a non-insulting manner, especially if you are talking about the faith of the majority."
Pretty hard to deny that!
At the end of the day I think it really comes down to money.
If they don't have official recognition in Russia no property, no Kingdom Halls etc. I believe they could still practice their faith but that's not good enough.
The thing I haven't figured out is why only one community of Jehovah's witnesses seem to be involved.
Banned Materials and Organizations
Materials added to the list are usually categorized as the following: racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic materials; materials of Jehovah’s Witnesses; materials of North Caucasus separatists and other radical Islamists; materials of the Church of Scientology; and materials of different Muslim groups, generally not related to officially recognized Islamic organizations.[57] In addition, thirty-four organizations appear on the list as banned or liquidated for extremist activities.[58] Most of the banned organizations are Russian patriotic and religious organizations propagating racist and xenophobic ideas, seven Muslim groups, and one religious community of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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JW.org website and Matt 6:1-4
by NikL insaw the news story on jw.org this morning about all the help they are sending to congo after flooding there.
yay for them!
oh wait!.
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Saw the news story on JW.org this morning about all the help they are sending to Congo after flooding there. Yay for them! Oh wait!
Matt 6:1-4 says...
Take care not to practice your righteousness in front of men to be noticed by them;+ otherwise you will have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. 2 So when you make gifts of mercy,* do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your gifts of mercy may be in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you.+Shhhh.
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Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂
by Gorbatchov ingorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.
just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.
the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.
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NikL
It seems that nearly every couple of months there is another little tweak - just enough to be noticeable for some of us. Because many JWs are busy trying to keep from falling asleep during KH meetings, they will probably not even notice the changes and just go with the flow. Then in a year or two, they'll all be asking each other: "When did that teaching change?"
Oh some of them notice Juan.
It's called "keeping up with Jehovah's chariot."
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Jehovah's Witnesses charity drops attempts to block abuse inquiry
by NikL inguardian this morning.... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/jehovahs-witnesses-charity-drops-attempts-to-block-abuse-inquiry
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Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂
by Gorbatchov ingorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.
just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.
the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.
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NikL
Some quotes from the study that stood out in my mind...
Many who thirsted for Bible truth fled to countries where the influence of the church was less pervasive. They wanted to read and study and converse with one another without being told what to think.
Brother Russell’s goal was to ascertain which of the prevailing religions was teaching the truth. He had carefully compared the teachings of many different religions, even non-Christian religions, with what the Bible says.
Both of which reeks of apostasy!
Which leads to the following...
Men and women were condemned for heresy because they rejected teachings of the church...The church handed down the death sentence...The goal was to discourage people from reading the Bible and questioning the church
Substitute "church with JW.org and you see the conditions today.
Indeed, "get out of her my people!"
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Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂
by Gorbatchov ingorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.
just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.
the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.
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NikL
@Desirous...your use of the Hitler quote made me think of something I read on Wikipedia.
A report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services describing Hitler's psychological profile said ...
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe itSounds like another group of leaders in rural New York state.
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Brother Hitting on Df'd Brothers Wife at KH
by poopie ininteresting story i have a friend who is df but his wife still faithfully goes to meetings.
there's a single brother in the cong that is always flirting with his wife.
well at a recent meeting my df friend decided to show up to check this brother out.
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NikL
This is one of the reasons I went from faded to going with my wife to KH.
She is still active and regular at meetings. She told me about a couple of instances where some brothers kind of creeped her out. I felt I needed to be there to protect her even if the meetings were coma inducing.
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Jesus is Lord...as in Jehovah god...in Reference NWT
by NikL ini wish i could say i found this but i saw it in a vid from watchtower examination.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7ertncbsk.
in it he points out that in the reference bible used by jws they admit that jesus and jehovah are the same thing.. so i looked it up online on jw.org.
yep it's there.. 1 peter 3:15. but sanctify the christ as lord* in your hearts,+ always ready to make a defense+ before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper+ and deep respect.*.
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Thanks for the input Saename and TheWonderOfYou...it's as clear as mud to me now ;-)
I assume a textural variant is basically a different version of the same text as the name implys?
So that would mean that one of the texts was in error no?
If that is the case, than it would be up to the reader to figure out which one makes more sense in line with the rest of scripture.
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Jesus is Lord...as in Jehovah god...in Reference NWT
by NikL ini wish i could say i found this but i saw it in a vid from watchtower examination.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7ertncbsk.
in it he points out that in the reference bible used by jws they admit that jesus and jehovah are the same thing.. so i looked it up online on jw.org.
yep it's there.. 1 peter 3:15. but sanctify the christ as lord* in your hearts,+ always ready to make a defense+ before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper+ and deep respect.*.
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NikL
This is to say that when the JW Bible with references has "Jehovah God" in the footnote, it does not refer to Jesus.
Okay...Not sure I get what you are saying.
The footnote says ...
“The Christ as Lord,” אABC; TR, “the Lord God”; J7,8,11-14,16,17,24, “Jehovah God.”
when referring to proclaiming "Christ as Lord". So it is saying Jesus Christ is "Jehovah God" no?
Maybe I am not reading the format of the footnote correctly?