Thanks Atlantis! ND Vienne, no I haven't. I will be checking that out along with some of those other articles on that link. I have resonated more with Paton in my studies because of his humility and demeanor so it will definitely be worth the read.. I had no idea that Barbour held a convention, and can now figure out who Bill arp was. I have a copy of the joy slip I found in an old watchtower when I was flipping through it. I want to say its original second version but I can't be sure.
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J.H. Paton
by Judgerussellford ini've been silently fading away for almost 3 years now, me my wife and parents.
but i love the history of the religion i grew up in.
our past doesn't define us, but it helps shape us into the people we are today.
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Unpopular opinion
by Judgerussellford inso i've asked this question to witnesses in the past (super no no question to ask by the way but hilarious responses) to bosses and coworkers, and random people of different faiths and i'm curious to know how mixed of a response this community will give.
bible believers or not your oppinion is very welcome.
technically according to scripture we are gods sons.
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So I've asked this question to witnesses in the past (super no no question to ask by the way but hilarious responses) to bosses and coworkers, and random people of different faiths and I'm curious to know how mixed of a response this community will give. Bible believers or not your oppinion is very welcome. Technically according to scripture we are gods sons. But he has angelic sons in heaven, viz: angels. 2 in particular, Yeshua (Jesus I prefer any original Hebrew variation personaly) and for lack of not knowing his real name, we will just go with a popular mislabeled name, Lucifer. In essence these two are brothers, The epitome of two great opposites, good and evil. We will come back to this in a moment. Let's jump to some NT theology for a minute.
It is written that God desires none to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. That being said, does the Devil himself have to die after Armageddon? I ask this because as it seems a loving father wouldn't want to pit his own sons against each other, (told you wed be back to two brothers) let alone have one destroyed for all eternity. To answer this question theologically, it seems only proper to examine the one sin that could never be forgiven in this life nor in the one to come. Thats blasphemy of the spirit.. George Storrs put it in decent terms in 1876 if i remember the date right,, that the pharasees who said that messiah cast out demons by the power of beelzebub, actually attributed the power of a good working spirit from God, to evil. In that example is a decent explanation of blasphemy of the spirit.
Folks of most faiths I've talked to don't really have an answer for me, but my sister gave me an interesting reason as to why she's believes yes. The unfairness of one sone dying, voluntarily or not, that did not deserve the death, and the one thats really messed up our race (with help from ourselves of course) wouldn't be in a loving gods nature. After all, Nineveh repented and the prophecy of her destruction was made null. And although Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, messiah himself said that they would be restored before Isreal was and were better off than Isreal. All it takes is repentance. So if he really does have to die, has he ever blasphemed the spirit? If so, how? If not doesn't he recieve a second chance much like the two doomed cities of lots time? Why shouldn't he die at least once since we all have to and his own brother did right? I hope the ones who read this can make sense of my ramblings. Just simply, will the epitome of evil get a second chance? All opinions welcome, believers or not
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I'm not able to update my bio
by Judgerussellford insince i cannot update my bio at this time let me introduce myself.
ex jw of 2 years.
was pimi for 24 and df'd for almost 3 years.
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Your fine Simon. My crab monster is about as wacky looking as me anyway! And phizzy, I will definitely check those threads out when I get the chance. Sorry about some of the friends here passing away. I've scrolled through a lot when I was on here yesterday and there was a lot of appreciation for those ones.
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I'm not able to update my bio
by Judgerussellford insince i cannot update my bio at this time let me introduce myself.
ex jw of 2 years.
was pimi for 24 and df'd for almost 3 years.
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Thanks for the welcome guys! I never really thought I'd be a part of an online committee, let alone one of the oldest and longest running ones. But research actually brought me here and after browsing, I couldn't walk away. Its fascinating to be in a world where everyone has almost identical backgrounds but where we branched into so many different backstories.
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I'm not able to update my bio
by Judgerussellford insince i cannot update my bio at this time let me introduce myself.
ex jw of 2 years.
was pimi for 24 and df'd for almost 3 years.
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Since I cannot update my bio at this time let me introduce myself. Ex jw of 2 years. Was pimi for 24 and df'd for almost 3 years. Reinstated for almost 3 years and during that time I was pimo. Left shortly after marriage and my wife and most of my remaining jw family followed me. I do think most jw individuals are good people but the org is absolute filth with its treatment and brainwashing. Still a Bible believer but I go to many backgrounds for study in my personal faith such as atheists and Torah followers to name a couple. I joined today because I found a link with some old hard to find publications in them. I've been collecting a huge watchtower library and have quite a few coveted rarities. But as I've scrolled through for about 4 hours now I've found it to be a community I enjoy. I've seen that some members have passed away and I'm sorry I never got to meet them. But I'm glad to be here now and hope you are glad the same..
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No beards...even Jesus! Strange Watchower rule for brothers!
by Witness 007 inwatchtower 1954 p.511 "why do watchtower publications now show jesus with short hair and no beard?
because he is shown that way in older representations of him that are older then the traditional effeminate looking pictures.".
watchtower 1968 p.286 "bible evidence and a recent review shows that jesus did have a beard..." charles russell style of beard was popular at bethel...till rutherford took over.
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Dueteronomy has in its list of laws written therein not to shave the edges/corners or you beard. Its right next to do not tatto yourselves. So they just cherry pick what rules they want to follow out of the Bible
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2034 - A Future History of Jehovah's Witnesses
by slimboyfat ini don't know what i am talking about... read this post at your peril.
back in the 1960s there was, seemingly, a brief period of relaxation in authoritarianism among jehovah's witnesses.
those who have read raymond franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about dan sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'.
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This is a very interesting take on a question I have pondered myself
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8 Year Old Can Decide If They Are Transgendered
by minimus inso says joe biden.. anybody agree with this?
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No. For the same reason no tattoo parlor will ink up anyone under 18. You don't have the life experiance to make the right choice.. you're just young and easily influence at that age and jumping into choices without thought of ramifications. If someone that young is having thoughts like that they need to talk to parents or someone trustworthy along with really thinking about it for a few years so they can make a sound decision that hopefully they won't regret when they are old enough to
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Billions to die at Armageddon?
by BoogerMan innot according to this verse:.
(mark 3:28, 29) truly i say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men, no matter what sins they commit and what blasphemies they speak.
but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin.”.
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Don't forget that God doesn't desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain repentance. The fact that many jws revel in the fact that they want "worldly" people to die to me would be gross in the eyes of the most high
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Resistace to going back to meetings
by truthseeker inlot going on.
i had a covid divorce last year over zoom.
not pretty but i got a good deal.. anyway,.
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I don't think many will physically go back just because of convenience. Since my family no longer attends we just observed a traditional Jewish passover with a traditional sedar and matzah. Enjoyed it thoroughly