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  Discussion with some elders

  by GoUnion in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello everyone just wanted to relate a situation that occurred a few days ago.

  so i have quit going to meetings for a few months now based on some issues i have with the explanations of current doctrines.

  my wife is none too happy with this but over the last few months we have had some date nights and have tentitively agreed to disagree.

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  According to the bible, the Jewish Saul hunted down and killed Christians for going against what he THOUGHT was the correct religion. So the bible records an instance where a person can be sincere in their beliefs and still be a murderer, correct? Is it too much of a stretch to believe that today there are people that have a belief or perception that they are correct and directed by a god and that anything that tries to slow that down or get in the way will be done away with.

  Their minds are thinking delusional thoughts at this time and their prime directive is to increase membership to the group and if and when you get in the way of this directive by trying to save a member you will be "taken out" as far as their powers will allow them. They can't prevent ones that have left from talking but they can prevent ones still in from hearing what you may have to say. The elders themselves proved that by their comment about not sharing this info with your wife or others.

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  Just got a call from an elder

  by nolongerconfused in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i faded over a year ago...i told the elders that if i needed them i would call them.

  1 year and 3 months later, today, i get a call from an elder who used to be my good friend...he calls and i dont pick up..he leaves a voicemail, saying "hello ____, please call me back at 444-444-4444 whenever you can".

  i was like wow, this has to be one of those calls to get inactive ones back to the memorial.

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  I would be very suspicious as that does not even look like a real phone number.

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  UN NGO Association Document

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone know where the un moved their statement about the watchtower ngo association?

  it used to be that you could use the search function (see: http://search.un.org/search?q=watchtower+bible+tract+society+filetype%3apdf&btng=search+un+website&output=xml_no_dtd&client=un_website_en&proxystylesheet=un_website_en&oe=utf-8&ie=utf-8.

  &adv=true&lr=lang_en&num=100&sort=score&submit2=search&ulang=en&entqrm=0&ud=1&exclude_apps=1&site= ) and find it in the results, but as of january, i can't find it anymore.

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  Here is the link to the archived PDF. It does have ",...un.gov\,.." within the URL but am unsure that this is a "proof" that it is a valid UN Letter.

  I'm not saying it's not, I believe it is, but am thinking what a jw apologist would argue. Better to be prepared than surprised.

  http://web.archive.org/web/20090126152929/http://un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf

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  Watch as JWs are 'educated' by their 'bible student' about evolution, abiogenesis, Watchtower quote mining, etc. LOL.

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mblywsowuvi&list=uuzmjy8ccss1_0sswprk4yia&feature=c4-overview.

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  I watched his entire series last year with this guy and another elder off screen. Not sure which one it is but the elder on screen there in the picture says something to the effect " I used to hit all the pu$$y I could" paraphrasing but he talked about getting all he could when he was younger and he said this to a bible study, he did not use the V word either.

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  After years of Watchtower fighting the BAN in Russia.....

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i apologize if this topic was already covered, i didn't have time to look thru several pages of posts.... after several years of fighting their ban in russia.

  russian court declares jw's literature extremist:.

  http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140113/186483571/russian-court-declares-jehovahs-witness-brochures-extremist.html?fb_action_ids=530487500391762&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5b1377130229215916%5d&action_type_map=%5b%22og.recommends%22%5d&action_ref_map=%5b%5d.

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  I think that it is amazing that the article listed above from 1952 closes with this comment "The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates , even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship."

  Really,..",... even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship." Is saying that the Jws that have Apostate family should expect to have a harder time NOT KILLING the apostates, since they are their family members. Not an easier time, not killing them, but a harder time not killing them. WOW!!

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  Helping your Loved one correlate WT mind control by exposing OTHEr groups

  by Jon Preston in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ive been watching "the following" lately and my wife watched a few episodes with me.

  she couldnt fathom at first the depth that mind control or "destructive influence" can take you.

  so in accordance with hassans "freedom of mind" i have decided that exposing other cults to my wife will help me help her to find correlations to the wt and hopefully lead her to the bite model.

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  Hope I inserted this correctly. It is the story of a Mormon that made his way out and it rang true with me.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj9uLK-Z1MM
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  two overlapping generations of anointed blah blah blah question

  by SnailsPace2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read the watchtower article on this "new light.

  " has any information on how "this generation" turned into two overlapping generations of only anointed people been printed?

  the word "evidence" was thrown around a lot in the article, but none was provided unless something has been printed since then and i have missed it.

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  I will use Matthew 1:1-17 , especially 17 if i ever get the chance.

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  Has anyone used this question on a JW? How might they respond?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i was laying in bed i thought of a question to ask my wife.

  "when the wt has an article on the next change in teaching or new light, just guessing, what do you think it might be?".

  it does not need to be phrased just like that, but i thought it might be a powerful question since it would make the jw subconsciously question all of the current teachings, something they are not taught to do.

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  I asked my brother, who is still in, "Are you saying that their will not change any doctrines from this point onward?" He replied," No,.. You know we can't say that will never happen" I then replied " So your admitting that some of the things that you believe now, could be wrong,.. some of those things you base your life and the life of your children on" I hope that this would stick in his head and simmer a bit.

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  War over preparing for WT study

  by cookiemaster in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i know that title sounds weird but so is this situation.

  with the following information i'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but i don't really care since i will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here.

  anyway the situation is the following.

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  Do they have any recorders out in your parts?

  Be a nice thing to have later, just for fun.

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  I've only JUST worked this out....

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many times at the kh i heard the various brothers boasting how the kh had good numbers in attendance and the churches of christendom did not.. i 've just worked out why this is; you cannot leave.

  you either fade, get df'd or da yourself.

  talk about hobson's choice.. talk about me seeing the light!!!.

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  You forgot about dieing.

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