I may be wrong but I think her letter takes a lot of guts, its easy for us on the outside to criticize the org---we should all remember how hard it is to do it on the inside. As far as the blood issue, all witnesses are fed the same crap about the sanctity of blood and many of us went along with it thinking we were right. I can't understand the criticism about the exclamation points...what difference does it make.
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A Sister Speaks Out!
by silentlambs inthe following is a letter i recieved to day on the silentlambs email.
it seems brothers and sisters are becoming more willing to speak out on this matter.
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Remember Those Days
by Undecided inhi all, : remember when?
(ahhh, memories).
if you are old enough .take the stroll.... close your eyes ... and go back ... .
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Oh what a wonderful thread, I remember alot of those things and they were just what I needed to put a smile on my face, being stuck inside on such a beautiful day (at work:) !!! Thanks for the smile!!
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State Benefits how does it affect the brothers
by MARTINLEYSHON infirstly may i thank all those who took the time and effort to respond to my post on the subject of circuit overseers and corruption?.
the majority of your replies were very well balanced, and i do take the point that not all c/os were or are indeed corrupt, and that there are sincere and genuine brothers out there.
with regard to my new topic, i encountered some very strange thinking from bethel, than what was actually contained within the printed pages of the awake magazine.
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Actually afdc or ktap...the state check has a 60 month limit but other
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State Benefits how does it affect the brothers
by MARTINLEYSHON infirstly may i thank all those who took the time and effort to respond to my post on the subject of circuit overseers and corruption?.
the majority of your replies were very well balanced, and i do take the point that not all c/os were or are indeed corrupt, and that there are sincere and genuine brothers out there.
with regard to my new topic, i encountered some very strange thinking from bethel, than what was actually contained within the printed pages of the awake magazine.
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I know that here in KY we went through a time period of everyone applying for disability and state aid. I am a caseworker in the welfare office here and I see witnesses coming in daily for state aid, the funny part about it is they usually stop by when they are in service, they will bring their book bags and all with them, undoubtedly if they don't recognize me as an ex-witness they will try to say something about the paradise earth...I cut them off quick so they cant count time with me .I agree, that if they can spend all those hours pioneering they could hold down at least a part-time job so our tax dollars aren't used supporting their ministry, if you ask me they are just lazy and claiming sickness/disability just gives them another reason to stay home from meetings. Oh my gosh, I sound so bitter...oh well maybe its because I have to get up and go to work everyday :)
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?
by jerome infirst let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.
i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.
when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.
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I think one of the biggest recruiting tactics is when your study conductor would totally sidestep a question and say that as your faith grew stronger you would understand. Kind of made you feel like a no-faith moron for asking questions. I thought they were messed up when I started studying, should have trusted my intuition :)
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Dreaded Ministry School Speakers!
by TR ini'm sure every hall has or had a "student" or speaker that they just dreaded to listen to.
wether it was poor reading and pronunciation, or repetitive words, there are those grueling speakers that are murder to listen to.
and they never got better.. in one hall i went to, this bro, actually a friend of mine, had the speach mannerism "you know".
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I always felt so sorry for the new and the young people who had a hard time giving a talk, we had some in our hall who would get physically sick and have to leave the stage.My middle son who is now 12 wouldn't even answer, he would try and turn red and just couldn't even speak, funny thing though as soon as we left the cult ,he started playing baseball and now does stand-up comedy at his school talent shows, he even sang last year...talk about a self esteem boost.
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JT - we're both right and wrong
by bluesapphire ini just wanted to tell you that i found information in an old catechism.
basically, it shows that *some* archdioceses abstained from meat on all fridays prior to vatican ii.
it is up to the bishop of each archdiocese and most dioceses in the roman catholic rite in the us had that.
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I was raised in a Catholic home well my dad was a very devout Catholic attended mass everyday ,and my mom was a convert, kept dad happy. But anyway something I have always wondered about, the no meat on Friday thing. I can honestly say until I was 17 I never ate meat on Friday. The first time I did it was pepperoni pizza, I honestly was almost afraid to swallow it, it was scary. But anyway back to the sacrifice of not eating meat...we would go out for crab legs and shrimp, tell me how was that a sacrifice, it never made sense to me. Kind of like, "you can't have beer"...."here drink this $150 bottle of Dom instead we are being pennitent(sp)".
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Are JW Kids Worse Disproportionately?
by patio34 inin a conversation with my son, we were going over all the young people he grew up with that were jws.
there seemed to be an inordinate proportion of felons among them, compared to the "worldly" people in his school.
and also compared to the people at work that i know whose kids are doing fine now.. our tentative theory is that raising kids as jws can be very damaging to many of them.
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I agree that JW kids are basically "taught" to lie. If they told the truth about any normal kids activities they would be shunned, df'd or
the dreaded "marking". The sad part about it, most of the ones who stay in the org with their double life but truly want to be a witness can end up being pathological liars and the type who have to continually try to make someone else look bad to make themselves look good..hey I guess thats the jw philosophy after all isn't it. -
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Let me give you my story....
by nita6368 inhi there everyone, i have posted a few times but after reading some life stories i decided to put mine on here in a condensed version.i don't know about anyone else but it helps me to read other peoples life stories, kind of validates that "hey, i'm not crazy, it was the org.
that was so warped.
" ok, here goes...i was raised catholic-12 years of parochial school and all only to find myself pregnant at 18 and being told by the monseniour(higher-up priest, really old guy)that it would be bettter for my child to be born a bastard(exact word used) than for me to marry the unbelieving father-he was a baptist.
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Thanks home_and_dry,
Sometimes its rough for the boys because he is still their dad no matter how warped his thinking is but their counselor is working on their self-esteem because as she says and we all know the JW's have to beat someones self esteem down before they trap them. So far we are doing good.I was in counseling for two years after I left, now I am a social worker myself.
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Let me give you my story....
by nita6368 inhi there everyone, i have posted a few times but after reading some life stories i decided to put mine on here in a condensed version.i don't know about anyone else but it helps me to read other peoples life stories, kind of validates that "hey, i'm not crazy, it was the org.
that was so warped.
" ok, here goes...i was raised catholic-12 years of parochial school and all only to find myself pregnant at 18 and being told by the monseniour(higher-up priest, really old guy)that it would be bettter for my child to be born a bastard(exact word used) than for me to marry the unbelieving father-he was a baptist.
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Hi there everyone, I have posted a few times but after reading some life stories I decided to put mine on here in a condensed version.I don't know about anyone else but it helps me to read other peoples life stories, kind of validates that "Hey, I'm not crazy, it was the org. that was so warped." Ok, here goes...I was raised Catholic-12 years of parochial school and all only to find myself pregnant at 18 and being told by the Monseniour(higher-up priest, really old guy)that it would be bettter for my child to be born a bastard(exact word used) than for me to marry the unbelieving father-he was a baptist. That was the last time I stepped foot into a Catholic Church.My son is wonderful nearly 16 now.His father didn't stick around to enjoy him, his loss. When I was 20 this guy that I worked with would always talk to me on my breaks about the church he went to, he'd always bring the little red book and show me the pictures and ask if I'd like to see my son in the paradise(guilt trip), to make a long story short he got me to go to church with him, he was a pioneer and he even set me up with a bible study with an elders wife then he asked me out(I guess it was ok because I was studying, in his mind anyway)
Soon after he was disfellowshipped ...ooooppps...Within a year I was baptised and he reinstated and within 2 years we had our first child.I honestly have to say I progressed simply because I couldn't tell my bible study instructor NO, I used to be a pushover and she would guilt trip me into feeling awful about myself, come to think of it, thats why i got married, the old guilt trip to make everything right in Jah's eyes.Well anyway during the course of our marriage this "brother" was privately reproved, twice and finally disfellowshipped for adultery, pornography..you name it.5 affairs total.After we divorced he moved in with his girlfriend two months later, is not reinstated yet but has her studying now. I have been out from the org for about 5 years now, I was privately reproved for an incident and I asked them to disfellowship me because I didn't want to be there...so they df'd me over the speaker phone at the hall, they called me up after I had gotten home from my meeting. But I have the satisfaction of knowing that I wouldn't tell them any details about anything I refused and went home. I found out later that the PO who sat on the committee was a child molester, unbelievable. My ex and I have many problems as far as our kids go, he is on his KH kick again and forces them to go when he has them and tries to guilt them into not celebrating holidays, birthdays and such but he allows them to play sports---double standard, but we are making it, the kids are in counseling and are getting to an age where they realize how twisted his thinking is and they really don't want much to do with it.Well thats about it, I just wanted everyone to know where my thinking was coming from in my posts, 10 years in the org, 2 years as a reg. pioneer, pioneer school the whole 9 yards...what a waste. Love the board, love the stories:)