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  Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.

  now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.

  try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).

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  I think the group here has the right idea. I would just approach it gently. 

  Perhaps just say, "I agree. James was correct. Can you show me from the context of where he said this what works he was referring to?"
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  Phases of Mental Extraction

  by freemindfade in

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  in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.

  i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.

  but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.

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  Honestly, it feels to me like the stages of grief. 

  1. Denial and Isolation - it's hard to believe it's true that you were deceived all those years. You withdraw into yourself.

  2. Anger - you get pissed because of being so stupid and because others are being deceived. You want to shout it from the rooftops. 

  3. Bargaining - you try to see if you can keep living the lie to keep family and friends. Maybe you think you can still be a witness and just ignore what you don't agree with.

  4. Depression - you start hating yourself because you're living a lie. Perhaps you're teaching things you don't believe. You feel like a hypocrite and get a really low self esteem. You don't know if you can go on living this way.

  5. Acceptance- you finally accept the fact that this religion is based on lies and accept that you can move on and it doesn't control your life anymore.

  Now I haven't  been through all these stages, but it certainly feels like I'm experiencing some of them.
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  A Mind at War

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  right now, i feel like my mind is at war with itself.. on the one side is reason, logic.. on the other is tradition, hope and fear.. reason and logic are challenging life-long beliefs.

  they are telling me, "is this any more believable than the story of the lord of the rings?".

  certain doctrines of my belief system are crumbling.. my mind still wants to hold on to the belief in a creator, his son jesus and the bible.

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  I have children. I knew ttatt and I didn't want them to feel pressured to get baptized. I didn't want them to miss out on the joys of childhood I knew they should be experiencing.

  I have kids myself. They're real little. But my wife and I both agree that we got baptized too young.

  If it comes to it, I'm not going to tell them they can't get baptized. Everyone has to make their own decisions and I'm going to let them choose their own life. But I certainly won't let them get baptized before they're 18. My wife told me the other day, "If you're not legally old enough to make a decision about getting married until you're 17 or 18, then you're definitely not old enough to make a decision about baptism either."

  Hopefully I'll be able to orchestrate a family fade before the kids are too indoctrinated.

  When they're older, I'll make sure they know both sides to the story about the so-called "Truth" and they can make their decision then.
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  Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!

  by Simon in

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  there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.

  what if we could stop one of them?

  wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?

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  cappytan

  Usually, with raw HTML, the browser ignores double spaces and just renders a single space.

  Does this WYSIWYG editor insert non-breaking spaces when double spacing?
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  cofty: Thanks for pointing this post out to me. Very sound reasonings. 

  The basic thing that turned me on to the fact that this blood doctrine is wrong was that I found out that Breastmilk contained white blood cells. White blood cells are considered by the organization to be forbidden, not a "fraction." However, a baby is allowed to literally eat white blood cells in order to sustain it's life. How does this make sense?

  It doesn't, so I now reject the no blood teaching in my mind.
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  Ted Jaracz and/or others?

  by feenx in

  1. jw
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  happy new year to all :)

  so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).

  i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).

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  Very well could have been but i think thay was prior to the df'ings.

  Wow, when I was there, I was under the impression in 2001 that the George Couch "Homo" morning worship was very recent. Rumor was that WTF had a bunch of homosexual activity going on. (I was at Patterson.)
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  'Tracing All Things With Accuracy' - How the Watchtower Society's Writing Department never makes a mistake

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2011 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses.. source: 'tracing all things with accuracy'.

  tracing all things with accuracy.

  jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics their food at the proper time.

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  Simon said: The fact is they obviously put a lot of effort into misquoting people - finding the snippet of something that someone said and taking it out of context in a way to give a completely wrong impression of what they were saying.

  They do this a lot with Scripture. (i.e. Peter asking,"Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life.").
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  Ted Jaracz and/or others?

  by feenx in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  happy new year to all :)

  so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).

  i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).

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  Sorry, i also should add that i know from my own time there that bethel in the early 90's was rampant with homosexual activity.  My barber was df'd for it along with many others in a big brouhaha. 

  _Morpheus: Is that what prompted the infamous George Couch morning worship? "Before you know it, your a homo!"
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  Re: Art Skills Needed at Bethel

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  all they want is some spiritually-qualified publishers blind individuals who believe they are god's mouthpiece on earth.

  no wonder their artwork is so poor.. .

  christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses2821 route 22, patterson, ny 12563-2237 phone: (845) 306-11001/8/15-e usjanuary 8, 2015to all congregations in the united states branch territoryre: art skills needed at betheldear brothers:the beautiful illustrations in our printed publications and on jw.org serve as teaching aidsthat emphasize spiritual truths from the bible.

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  Part of their problem in finding skilled workers, IMO, is that kids aren't allowed at Bethel. Not that I now would want my kids there, but I could see if I bought into the whole cult mindset applying with my family.

  now that I know TTATT, that would be unthinkable!
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  Re: Art Skills Needed at Bethel

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  all they want is some spiritually-qualified publishers blind individuals who believe they are god's mouthpiece on earth.

  no wonder their artwork is so poor.. .

  christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses2821 route 22, patterson, ny 12563-2237 phone: (845) 306-11001/8/15-e usjanuary 8, 2015to all congregations in the united states branch territoryre: art skills needed at betheldear brothers:the beautiful illustrations in our printed publications and on jw.org serve as teaching aidsthat emphasize spiritual truths from the bible.

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  athiest_R_stupid:

  you attract more flies with honey, buddy.

  Be gracious and season your words with salt. Otherwise people won't listen to you.

  Don't follow the public speaking example of Anthony Morris, in other words.