Posts by noidea

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Why Mainstreaming Will Win and Reform Won't

by metatron in

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sometimes change takes place over many years, in such a subtle.

and quiet way that those involved may not even discern that a. trend is forming.

as with social security and retirement issues,.

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I have a Question:
If one can celebrate a birthday and not get DF, Then why can't they celebrate Christmas when it is suppose to be based on Jesus Birthday?

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Show me the money!

by Outaservice in

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my wife and i have at different times and different assemblies worked in accounting.

we noticed a pattern of manipulation of figures to move the brothers to contribute more thinking that the assembly was short the needed cash to take care of expenses even when there was plenty of money!.

has anyone else out there ever worked in the 'money room' also, and if so, what did you observe?.

noidea

(and thanks to the WT, Outacash too!)

ROFLMAO!

I knew it!
That is why my elder brother and his wife can afford much more than my Husband and I can, and we make more money.

Outaservice,
Is that really possible?????
Could someone really be on the take if they wanted to????
Details......... please! still roflmao

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Am i the only one lerning agan for the frist time?

by New Eyes in

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what are we to do when we need to find the truth for ourselfs?.

well i am looking into what the wt tought me about so many things like this site by the cathloics.. i found this site can any one tell me what if any thing are lies on this site?

the cathloics are not what i thought thay were if this is what thay realy teach.

noidea

Hello New Eyes,
And welcome. You sound like you have hit a wall and woke up with those cartoon stars in circles going around in your head. I know how you feel.
I have always just done and thought what I was told.
We are not suppose to have independent thinking.
The only advice I can give is for you to get another Bible translation and do allot of reading and comparing.
Be careful about just looking for another religion. You could be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
Take some time and just read.

What are we to do when we need to find the truth for ourselves?

You have already answered your own question. You have to find it for yourself. This is a great place to release penned up emotions, thoughts and questions. If anyone steps on your toes don't let it hurt your feelings. There are so many here to help.

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LIES in Current Watchtower!

by Eusebius Hieronymus in

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after posting on the maximus nourishment for the spirit thread about elaine pagel's "the origin of satan" and "adam, eve, and the serpent," i check my mail and find the watchtower for august 15, and a qfr (whole page) answering the question, "for how long a period of time did job suffer.".

they say "job's suffering and its resolution may have occurred within a few months, perhaps less than a year.

" blah, blah, tribulation momentary and light, blah, blah, christ will himself finish your training.

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I also saw the QFR.
I found this very interesting.
In the KJ bible it says:

And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day......

In the NWT it says:

And his sons went and held a banquet....

Why was this interesting to me????
I, being raised a JW have always used their bible. I now also have a KJ bible. I never even wondered what kind of a banquet it was. When I realized it was for a birthday I was surprised. Then I thought well, it didn't say Job went to the banquets maybe he felt that B-bay banquets were wrong.
Then BINGO!
In the NWT after it says banquet it refers you to (Psalms 133:1)
Are you curious as to what that said?
Here it is:

Look! How good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell together in unity!

Therefore the ORG. says and even encourages these types of celebrations and they are not even aware of it.
I am out of allot of presents.

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question

by noidea in

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is there anyone here that feels they are of the annointed class?

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Is there anyone here that feels they are of the annointed class?

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Wondering whether or not to join the Air Force

by Patrick_Ryan in

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i'm new here and i have some questions about joining the air force or not.

i'm 21 years old, i was raised as a jehovah's witness but stopped going when i was 13 because i was a kid and thought it was boring (like school).

even after i quit going i still done things that were right or i tried to still live by what i was taught and i'm greatful that i was raised that way because it kept me out of a lot of trouble and made me who i am today.

noidea

Patrick,

You sound like you may be in a situation that I am in.
No relationship with Jehovah.
Could that be what is what is missing?
Being raised in an imperfect org. as the WBTS. We are constantly told to seek Jehovah have a relationship with him and rely on him.
I have been my whole life, been told what to do and how to do it.
I took no time to stop and smell the roses. (Develop a relationship with Jehovah on my own and learning what has been done for us through Jesus).

The eight years that I've been away from the truth I've always felt that something was missing.

When we think we are in the "truth" we think we automatically develop a relationship. NOT TRUE. For years I have prayed and still felt empty. why? I have asked Jehovah for help why could I not feel anything.
I have just figured out that the WBTS and Jehovah are not the same.
They can give you guidance through the bible but they can not give you a relationship with Jah. or everlasting life.
If they can't give it . They also can't take it away.
Going to the Hall (I said hall not hell) lol,
is like going to school.
The teachers (elders)are mostly arrogant assholes.
The fellow students (cong.) mostly assholes.
But what is in the Book (the Bible) That is what is important.
If you want that relationship you have to take it.
No one, and I mean no one can give it to you.
It is something you will have to do all by yourself, and will be the hardest thing you will ever have to do.
If you feel that something is missing and you feel guilty. Re-examine why you feel that way.
Is it because you have been taught that way, or is it (you) wanting to know what is right or what is wrong. (You may find out you don't even want a relationship with him. That is your decision he gave you that free-will)
I have really been so confused lately, to the point of being physically sick. All I can do at this point is try and take my own advice and that is just what it is advice.

I really feel for you. I know what it is to not only suffer by being confused but also depression.

We may feel that way because we haven't learned self survival we have always relayed on someone or something else for our answers. Answers also can't be taught but learned.

Whatever you decide will be up to you.
There are no easy answers anyone can give you.
There are so many wonderful people on this board, You will receive allot of advice, Only you know how your heart is feeling.
I know this sounds lame even as I write it I'm thinking lame, lame, lame.

Take your time! you have a little before a final decision has to be made. Use it wisely you have your whole life ahead of you. Wherever there is a choice there is a consequence...

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It Really Was A Numbers Game!

by Englishman in

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did you know that a decline in meeting attendances was once taken as a sign that wrongdoing had taken place in the congregation?

see what you make of this:.

in the early 60s, when i was but a callow youth and still living at home with my parents, a very anxious jw mum came a-banging on our door.

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Englishman,

OMG!

They still feel that way.
I wonder if the meeting attendance at our hall is slack because I have been lurking, and have started to post.
It all comes to light.
Do you think I should confess now or wait until it is close to the next memorial?
I'm truly serious they still feel that way.

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How Should I Do This?

by Wolfy in

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okay....in a few weeks we(wife & kids) are going to visit my parents.

they have been jw's for a long time.... a little back-ground info...a couple of years ago i said the hell with being a jw..grew a goatee (wife said it made me look evil..:) and wanted nothing at all to do with being a jw..elders actually left me alone for the most part...talked to my parents...my mother kinda freaked but my dad said basically that he understood and that i gotta do what i gotta do ..said if he could help i could call...cool.

i have changed alot in that couple of years on the inside..how i feel and think...i am re-examining everything related to jw's and have found many very disturbing facts..i want to talk to my parents about them but i am not sure how to go about it...my mother is the emotional type..doesn't get to deep if you understand my meaning...my dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...very down-to-earth.....anyways...does anyone have any suggestions how i can talk to them about what i have found out without them freaking out and calling me apostate?.

noidea

C'mon guys,

Wolfy reached out for some support, How about a little! We are not slipping back to the Jdub way now are we. I know everyone loves the "white trash bitch" and the "asshole wars" post but how about a little compassion.
I'm with ya, wolfy.

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The Truth about Venice

by Maximus in

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... all right, folks.

venice is calling in the heavy artillery.

i also have mafia connections who are not named guido, but knee-cap charlie and sal the stiletto.

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Mulan,

I don't know Ven, So I can't say much to her feelings on the subject. But if you look at the thread she did post allot and each time that was done it helped fan the fire and bring it to the top. I'm with you I think Ven is a great sport and allot of fun. I am looking forward to what she will do to you and princess for pay backs. (we're counting on you Ven)
Maximus just sounded so powerful I had to do the good JW thang, and make my brownie points. I miss many a meetings these days and it just brought back so many memories of where one's nose is expected to be.

Maximus, You really did make me Quake! You did learn something for all your time spent.
You people should really post some rules. LOL

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How Should I Do This?

by Wolfy in

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okay....in a few weeks we(wife & kids) are going to visit my parents.

they have been jw's for a long time.... a little back-ground info...a couple of years ago i said the hell with being a jw..grew a goatee (wife said it made me look evil..:) and wanted nothing at all to do with being a jw..elders actually left me alone for the most part...talked to my parents...my mother kinda freaked but my dad said basically that he understood and that i gotta do what i gotta do ..said if he could help i could call...cool.

i have changed alot in that couple of years on the inside..how i feel and think...i am re-examining everything related to jw's and have found many very disturbing facts..i want to talk to my parents about them but i am not sure how to go about it...my mother is the emotional type..doesn't get to deep if you understand my meaning...my dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...very down-to-earth.....anyways...does anyone have any suggestions how i can talk to them about what i have found out without them freaking out and calling me apostate?.

noidea

Wolfy,

I suggest taking your Dad out. Father & Son explain to him your feelings. Let him know at the beginning when you left it was different more of a rebellion. Tell him just what you told us and pour your heart out. Be true to him and yourself. You have nothing to loose only his respect for being honest to gain.

.My Dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...Very down-to-earth.....

Having an inside track on things he may know where you're coming from.
Be sure and let him have a drink or two before you begin!