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the danish newspaper which has told so many stories about youths being molested in denmark by jws recently, today brings the story that the woman who came forth with the most sensational ones of these stories, how she and others were molested by groups of elders during baptismal preparations etc.

- to the police has admitted it was all nothing but lies.. i just wonder if silentlambs and the danish posters here will be as quick to bring these news and the translation out to the people just as quickly as they did when the original story was given by the newspaper?.

it is very boring to say "what did i tell you?

Norm

Hello There Oldhippie

Indeed we are quick to bring these news. Why do you try to portray those who fight to protect the children from the Watchtower as dishonest?

Here is the article translated to English. It will indeed be reported on the Silebtlambs site.
If there are any delays, it is because of me, as I haven't had time to monitor Ekstra Bladet the last weeks.
Bill doesn't speak Danish so he has to rely on me to translate it all for him. I have now translated this one and e-mailed it to him.

You know as well as I do that the way the WTS are handling pedophilia is very shameful indeed and this sad story will do nothing to change that fact. No ne has to try to make that fact any worse. No one has to lie to make that any blacker. Reality is more then enough. Anyway folks, enjoy:

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I lied about Jehovah sex

23 year old woman avoid slander charges from the sect

By Niels Westberg - 10:15 - 11. jun. 2004

Confronted with the risk of slander charges from the immensly rich Jehovah-sect the 23 year old Miriam Poulsen from the Faroe Islands suddenly has withdrawn her story about sex-abuse.

On April 29th the young woman told her story to Ekstra Bladet, that she as 12 years old had been subjected to sexual advances from a so called ?elder? in Jehovah's Witnesses in Thorshavn.

The sexual advances had allegedly happened while Miriam prepared for her baptism which was done in a basement under the Jehovah-sects kindom hall.

In this connection Miriam told about other girls in the sect who also had told her about sex abuse from men in the sect. All the girls were ashamed and feared reprisals, if they told their parents.

But all of this is lies and fabrications, she now says, and she has had to sign a declaration to Jehovah's Witnesses ? in order to avoid prosecution.

?Pure fabrication?

In the declaration from May 28, Miriam has undersigned that her story to Ekstra Bladet was ?pure fabrication? and that she has told the same to the Thorshavn police.

Chief of the Crime squad Bergleif Brimvik can not confirm this however, but he says that after having interviewed Miriam Poulsen don?t have reason to pursue the 10 year old case.

The sects spokesman in Thorshavn, Otniel Nygaard denied on Faroe Radio on May 29 that Miriam was threatened to withdraw her accusations.

- We have had no contact with her. It is our lawyer who has handled it, says the Jehovah spokesman.

- And he didn?t make any threats?

- No, we have only considered prosecuting for libel, says the spokesman in the radio interview.

Underground
Miriam Poulsen has gone ?underground? for a long time now says her friends, and Ekstra Bladet has been unable to get in contact with her for a month.

- That?s why we have to accept her personal written retraction of the story. If the whole thing was ?pure fabrication? we regret that we have passed on the detailed story, says Chief editor of Ekstra Bladet Bengt Falbert.

- We were in good faith. It was Miriam herself that came to us, and we had absolutely no reason to believe she was lying.

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Norm

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The bigger dick policy

by Norm in

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as a george carlin fan i keep thinking he has got a point when he says that men are generally very insecure about their dick size.

countries go to war if they think someone got bigger dicks than them.. lately there seem to have been such a lesser scale war here on the board.

the problem in this particular case is that the ones who quite obviously got bigger dicks were women!.

Norm

Hello Amazing,

You said:

Norm: I think you are missing the point. Where were you when the situation was reversed some weeks ago? Silent?

Of course I am, always do. I was busy doing something else I suppose.

This issue is not about men vs women ... it is about Simon deciding to deactive some who keep on behaving beyond reason ... and if you check the "Announcements" section you will see that only one woman and four men were given the ax.

If you say so. What is the issue about? As one of the horribly wronged victims of it all you should know? Beyond who’s reason?

It has nothing to do with anything else.

Well, it is quite obvious from all the ass kissing and brown nosing that someone got what they wanted, wonder who that might be? Got any suggestions?

As far as my beefs ... I simply exposed lies with proof in evidence ... and some can't handle it when others stand up to them. that is all ... any other interpretations are pure speculations.

I know that there are a lot of people here that don’t like that anyone stands up to them. How about you? Do you like it?

Norm.

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The bigger dick policy

by Norm in

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as a george carlin fan i keep thinking he has got a point when he says that men are generally very insecure about their dick size.

countries go to war if they think someone got bigger dicks than them.. lately there seem to have been such a lesser scale war here on the board.

the problem in this particular case is that the ones who quite obviously got bigger dicks were women!.

Norm

Hi Julie,

We have to make allowances for poor Prisca, I heard that she was tragically separated from her credibility at birth and has ever since struggled hard to find it, but alas she has had no luck so far.

Norm

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The bigger dick policy

by Norm in

jw
friends

as a george carlin fan i keep thinking he has got a point when he says that men are generally very insecure about their dick size.

countries go to war if they think someone got bigger dicks than them.. lately there seem to have been such a lesser scale war here on the board.

the problem in this particular case is that the ones who quite obviously got bigger dicks were women!.

Norm

Amazing and Tyydyy,

Yes indeed, women shouldn't talk disrespectfully to men. I mean what are the world coming to. Here we have intelligent women talking back to MEN! Human beings with penises, and they are even "gasp" using foul language! And this even after they were "pleaded" with. Unheard of, unthinkable! Can't have women like that at large in this wonderful commuinity. A community where you can be as nasty and evil as you want if you don't use foul and "filthy" language.

A community like any other anglo american where FORM is always far more important than content. I hope that all of you poor victims will be able to get over the horrible ordeal and the hideous abuse you apparetly have suffered in the hands of these evil women.

At the moment it is quite nauseating for others to watch all the high fives and back slapping of the alleged victims. Don't forget to at least pretend to suffer a little the next time. Your behavior is extremely unbecoming for the downtrodden poor souls you claim to be.

Norm

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The bigger dick policy

by Norm in

jw
friends

as a george carlin fan i keep thinking he has got a point when he says that men are generally very insecure about their dick size.

countries go to war if they think someone got bigger dicks than them.. lately there seem to have been such a lesser scale war here on the board.

the problem in this particular case is that the ones who quite obviously got bigger dicks were women!.

Norm

Ah, Prisca! Always a beacon of intergrity and full of kindness to all. Always a kind word to the downtrodden. What a woman.

Norm

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The bigger dick policy

by Norm in

jw
friends

as a george carlin fan i keep thinking he has got a point when he says that men are generally very insecure about their dick size.

countries go to war if they think someone got bigger dicks than them.. lately there seem to have been such a lesser scale war here on the board.

the problem in this particular case is that the ones who quite obviously got bigger dicks were women!.

Norm

As a George Carlin fan I keep thinking he has got a point when he says that men are generally very insecure about their dick size. Countries go to war if they think someone got bigger dicks than them.

Lately there seem to have been such a lesser scale war here on the board. The problem in this particular case is that the one’s who quite obviously got bigger dicks were women!

One really has to be extremely insecure about everything when women become so threatening that they have to be gagged and disfellowshiped.

Norm

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The Pioneer Spirit

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i bet there are a lot of people on this board that know lots about the pioneer spirit.. many of you have no doubt trudged door to door hunting the hours that are so essential to.

the spiritual watchtower person.

dont you remember how fulfilling it was?

Norm

I bet there are a lot of people on this board that know lot’s about the Pioneer Spirit.
Many of you have no doubt trudged door to door hunting the “hours” that are so essential to
the “spiritual” Watchtower person.

Don’t you remember how fulfilling it was? How happy you were every day for having such a privilege as this “bigger part” in serving “Jehovah”? How you felt superior to the lowly congregation publishers? I bet you did.

Using a Watchtower cliché, how “thrilling” it is to be a pioneer. In Brooklyn they are forever considering more efficient ways for the Pioneers to spend their valuable time.

In an October 1, 1998 letter to the Body of Elders, they write:

“Practical Ways to Assist the Pioneers: One reason some pioneers find it necessary to relinquish their privilege of service is health problems. While health care is a personal matter, elders can encourage pioneers to maintain their strength by eating nutritious meals, keeping a reasonable schedule, and getting sufficient rest. If you observe a pioneer who lacks balance in one of these areas, it may be helpful to share an appropriate Awake! article on the subject. g97 6/22 11-13; g95 6/8 17-19; g90 6/8 14-16.”/
So health problems are the major cause of quitting as a pioneer. Apparently pioneers don’t eat right, they don’t rest as much as they should and they have unreasonable schedules? Wonder what causes all that? Could it be the Watchtower Society demand for a certain amount of hours? Nah, that is of course not possible for as we all know “Jesus burden is light”. Anyway, Awake! Has dealt with such “problems” so you don’t have to come up with anything yourself.
Another reason for Pioneers quitting is finances:
Another reason some stop pioneering is to care for financial obligations. In many cases, changes in circumstances make this unavoidable. (Ecclesiastes 9:11) However, some pioneers have had to discontinue because of a failure to keep their eye simple, becoming preoccupied with material possessions, pleasures, and the anxieties of life. You can help pioneers to maintain a proper balance in such matters by being alert to commend them for their fine example of putting spiritual things first in their lives and by setting a proper example yourself.
Wow! Some pioneers actually thought they could have a life! Being dirt poor, pushing brooms at night and getting doors slammed in their faces all day wasn’t enough for them, ungrateful bastards! And all that just because they couldn’t keep their “eye simple”. Well, a little false praise and back patting will always help. I mean what could be more spiritual that delivering canned badly delivered boring sermons at people’s doors?
Anyway, did you know that some pioneers have problems getting along with others?
Most pioneers make a fine contribution to the peace of the congregation, but at times some have problems getting along with others. How can you assist such ones? By kindly helping them to appreciate that pioneers must be peacemakers. (1 Peter 3:11) As exemplary Christians, they need to pursue peace in all their dealings with others, both inside and outside the congregation. Their being peacemakers will contribute to the joy of the entire congregation and will result in blessings from Jehovah.-w91 3/120-5.
Any of you former pioneers have any clue as to what causes a pioneer such problems. Could it be that the pioneer is an arrogant overbearing asshole or is the entire cong consisting of assholes?
Well, the main goal is to get the pioneer to continue “enjoying” his/hers “privilege”, how to do that?:
Perhaps the finest way elders can encourage the pioneers is by working with them in the field ministry on a regular basis. (ks91 25) In addition to the interchange of encouragement that takes place when sharing together in this activity, doing this provides you with an opportunity to show a personal interest in them. If a pioneer is experiencing some difficulty, he or she may take advantage of the occasion to discuss it with you. Providing a listening ear and a word of encouragement at such a time may be just what a pioneer needs to continue in full-time service. (Proverbs 25:11) Therefore, make it your aim to work with each of the pioneers in your congregation at least once during the current service year.-Colossians 4:11.
This way the elders can cajole, pressure and coerce the poor pioneers into continuing their useless existence, as pushers for the multinational con operation printing empire.
[quote] Promote the Pioneer Spirit: Those with the pioneer spirit have a positive attitude toward the ministry and are zealous for fine works. (Titus 2:14) Many publishers would like to pioneer but are unable to do so because of their circumstances. Yet, they do all that they can in the ministry and are supportive of the pioneers. Their attitude and actions reveal that they have the pioneer spirit. Those serving as regular pioneers must also display the pioneer spirit.
How can you as elders promote the pioneer spirit in the congregation? Primarily, by cultivating the pioneer spirit yourselves. When you take the lead in displaying a positive attitude toward the ministry, your example speaks for itself. Others will imitate your zealous spirit, and the entire congregation, especially the pioneers, will benefit. (Hebrews 13:7) Furthermore, Jehovah's blessing will be upon the fine spirit shown by the congregation.-Philippians 4:23.
Yes, the elders really get good at acting don’t they? I had the “privilege” several times to be accompanied by an elder with a “pioneer spirit” in the field service. Usually this guy went up on the platform the very same evening and very enthusiastically told the congregation of the fantastic day he had had in the field service, and it was indeed fantastic how many interested people we had met during the day according to him, he acted out a whole spiel of what was being said and such and it was indeed fantastic. Problem is, none of it had ever happened! I know, I was with him that whole day. There were a lot of those elders around in my days. Some of them even became CO’s but their fantastic stories from the field service continued.
Apparently pioneers have and are employed as troubleshooters by the elders and have been assigned to “work” with slackers and spiritual dead beats:
[quote]Pioneers Assist Others: Congregations that have been diligent in implementing the Pioneers Assist Others program are experiencing fine results. Since the new program has now been functioning in most congregations for about six months, Congregation Service Committees should again meet with the book study conductors to make new assignments. The Society's letter to all bodies of elders dated January 20, 1998, instructed these brothers to "consider which publishers would benefit most from assistance" when making assignments. This means that they should consider which publishers have the most potential to make progress in the ministry from the assistance being offered Good discernment should be exercised in this regard.
In some congregations, pioneers have been assigned to assist individuals who were weighed down with intractable personal or spiritual problems and who appeared to have little potential to benefit from the assistance being offered. Such assignments generally produce few positive results and often prove to be draining to the pioneers. Therefore, it is usually advisable for the elders to give shepherding attention to such individuals rather than using the pioneers to assist them. Of course, there is no objection to assigning a pioneer to assist an irregular or inactive one if it is felt that the person will really make progress and is truly in a position to benefit from the program.-See also the September 1998 Our Kingdom Ministry, page 4.

This “program” seems to have been a failure as the pioneers are more likely to become as disillusioned as the person they are supposed to “help”. So the elders will have to deal with such “hopeless cases” themselves. Another impossible demand from the Watchtower Society is that the elders should use “Good discernment”, something which is far beyond the reach of most elder appointed from Brooklyn. Whatever that can be considered Good discernment will always be defined in Brooklyn and an elder can never be sure what that might be at any given moment.

Norm.

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Israel spy on the US

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"spotlight.

israeli spy ring uncovered in u.s.. 28/02/02 - intelligence online has managed to establish that a huge israeli spy ring operating in the united states was rolled up by the justice department's counter-espionage service.".

read about it on:.

Norm

According to the French newspaper Le Monde, there were more than 120 Israeli spies arrested and expelled. The paper also said that they most likely knew about what was going to happen on Sept. 11, but they didn't tell the US. That make sense because Israel has had many advantages from that incident and still has.

It is really weird to hear Israelies talk about terrorism. If someone occupied Texas and the people there resisted the occupation, would they be terrorists?

Norm

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Israel spy on the US

by Norm in

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friends

"spotlight.

israeli spy ring uncovered in u.s.. 28/02/02 - intelligence online has managed to establish that a huge israeli spy ring operating in the united states was rolled up by the justice department's counter-espionage service.".

read about it on:.

Norm

"SPOTLIGHT
Israeli Spy Ring Uncovered in U.S.
28/02/02 - Intelligence Online has managed to establish that a huge Israeli spy ring operating in the United States was rolled up by the Justice Department's counter-espionage service."

Read about it on:

http://www.intelligenceonline.com/

Norm