I never shared my California heritage with JW's so I can tell you about it now. My paternal grandmother was the great grandaughter of William B Ide who was an Eastern college educated well-to-do attorney who with his wife came to Cali in the early 1840's shortly before the gold rush. They had everything going for them. Why leave their lifestyle to come out West? Hubby quips, "Probably to get away from their relatives." Who knows? That's as good a reason as any. Ide was elected the 1st and only president of the "Bear Flag Republic".They fought "Indians", Mexicans, Spaniards. His is quite a story. He and his offspring were cattle ranchers in Northern Cali. and so my dad, the firstborn son, was a "born in" cowboy. Grandma became an IBSA and exposed her children to the beliefs. My dad HATED being a cowboy and left home in the 1920's for college and never did ranchwork again. He loved to watch TV Westerns and point out where they were incorrect. He liked the show "Rawhide" staring a young Clint Eastwood.
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87A question for my friends in the USA about cowboys.
by punkofnice inas a kid growing up in the uk we used to play 'cowboys and indians' and watch high chaparal and bonanza along with other cowboy films.
later, in the 70's kung fu would be shown with caine going through the 'old west'.
we even had a chocolate bar that was marketed with a 'cowboy' theme...milky bar.. as far as i know the 'wild west' as shown on tvdidn't actually exist.. are there people that believe it did?.
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Four Levels of Shunning
by Londo111 inremember: the word shun means to avoid, especially persistently.. level 1. official watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated.
there are, of course, two loopholes:.
(1) one is not shunned if living in the same household...but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like raypublisher was) or if the jw decide to leave as a consequence.. (2) one may do necessary family business..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.. but for those two loopholes, a jw may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello.
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Lets not forget "Public Reproof" where an announcement is read from the platform: "The matter concerning So and So has been handled and he/she has shown repentance." How mortifying is that for a person? Usually the "friends" don't socialize with that one for a while. That's why in the old days they called it "Probation" and those poor souls were given a VERY wide berth.
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bethelite kills self because of guilt 10/31/73
by new boy ini was working on my car in the factory {bld.
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4 went off at about 9:30. the night watchman could find nothing.
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Terribly sad story. I agree with Hoser 100%. I know a similar situation where the parents all but forced their sensitive son into Beth-Hell in the mid 1960's. He couldn't take it and came home. The mother was surly and rude, the sister was a stuck-up snot, and the father was a prominate overseer who made his son feel like a failure. His girlfriend became a close friend of mine. The family didn't want him to marry his true love because she came from a "weak" family. It was all too much for beautiful Loren Council. He took a gun, put it in his mouth and ended it all.
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Has Anything Changed In JW Understanding Since The Annual Meeting?
by minimus ini haven't been here much within the last week.
is there anything new in watchtower world?.
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undercover, LOL
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I need some input: I have come to the conclusion my wife blames me for her lack of spirituality
by goingthruthemotions inso lately my wife and i have been arguing alot.
not big arguments...but more of a bickering.. you see, over the last year i have stepped down as an ms and we moved halls.
last november was around the time i woke.. during this time we still have family studies....but only from the bible.
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Something else, if you both were JW's when you married, the wedding talk will have emphasised the 3fold cord. That your marriage itself must "have Jehovah in it" to succeed. Of course, having Jehovah in your marriage to her means you are "taking the lead" in all the activities JW. She is bombarded with these ideas. These ideas destroy families.
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I need some input: I have come to the conclusion my wife blames me for her lack of spirituality
by goingthruthemotions inso lately my wife and i have been arguing alot.
not big arguments...but more of a bickering.. you see, over the last year i have stepped down as an ms and we moved halls.
last november was around the time i woke.. during this time we still have family studies....but only from the bible.
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Flipper nailed it. A brainwashed wife is proud when her husband attends, comments, holds a position etc. and she is respected by the rest of the cong more than a sister who comes alone. Even her social life is affected. Pretty soon invitations to dinner will dry up. Where is her niche? She's not part of a JW couple anymore but she isn't single either. Now she has the lowest possible statis in the cong. A real letdown. Also, the moral support of being driven to the meetings by your husband and having him help with the kids makes meetings much easier. If your wife sees another sister at the meeting whose husband has his arm around her shoulder she will feel like crying. Lets face it- MEETINGS SUCK they are much better when you have your mate.
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Melbourne's Herald Sun -- "confessions of a Jehovah's Witness"
by MrMonroe inall the dubs pouring into melbourne, australia for the international convention gonna choke on their cornflakes when they read this .... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/former-jehovahs-witness-lifts-lid-on-stifling-doomobsessed-religion/story-fni0ffsx-1227092921890.
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Good article thanks Mr Monroe.
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THE STAND (Stephen King) or THE LAST SHIP (NEW TNT SHOW)
by blondie inmany may not have seen the stand but the last ship was aired this summer on tnt (and was picked up).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/.
http://www.tntdrama.com/shows/the-last-ship.html#the-last-ship.html?&_suid=1413402642708001271534963433979.
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Keyer, I saw Contagion as well. I fully agree with your accessment. The entertainment factor made me lean toward Outbreak.
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I need some input: I have come to the conclusion my wife blames me for her lack of spirituality
by goingthruthemotions inso lately my wife and i have been arguing alot.
not big arguments...but more of a bickering.. you see, over the last year i have stepped down as an ms and we moved halls.
last november was around the time i woke.. during this time we still have family studies....but only from the bible.
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OUB, LOL! Something else that is likely going through your wife's mind adding to her frustration is: Since Armageddon could come at any time, and since their father is being disobedient to Jehovah's channel, and since children who are not baptized can only be spared destruction by the merits of the BELIEVING/ACTIVE JW, Their survival now falls 100% on me. (At least that is what was taught when I was in.) So this belief forced me even deeper into the cult as I felt being a JW was like getting my children on the ark. It also made me mad at my hubby for dumping his half of the responsibility on me. Unless she realizes that God did not pick J Rutherford to be the modern day FDS in 1919, or that works = salvation there will be frustration. A question that helped me to wake up was simply "What year was it (JW's) the truth?"
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I need some input: I have come to the conclusion my wife blames me for her lack of spirituality
by goingthruthemotions inso lately my wife and i have been arguing alot.
not big arguments...but more of a bickering.. you see, over the last year i have stepped down as an ms and we moved halls.
last november was around the time i woke.. during this time we still have family studies....but only from the bible.
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3rdgen
When my 1st husband drifted farther and farther away from "the truth" I am ashamed to admit I acted like your wife. Remember the WBT$ is constantly bombarding the flock with the idea they are never doing enough and that the family head is responsible "to provide for the family" spiritally even before materally. This is where the idea originates. Since a female JW is taught she must be "in subjection to her husband in EVERTHING" I figured he was required to be "taking the lead" in ALL forms of JW worship. Remember too, that when she attends the meetings and FS she is PESTERED with the question: "Where is your hubby?" Mates are constantly put on the defensive when their spouse misses. I became tired of making up acceptable excuses for his absence. Afterwhile I resented my ex for putting me in that position. I started to think I never would have married him if he weren't a JW what else do we have in common? Now that you know WHY she is frustrated. You must now emphasise what, besides religion, draws you to each other and make that your focus. Help your wife come up with a funny answer to tell the busybodies at the KH who ask why you aren't at the meeting like: He dosn't like you anymore LOL" or "He has ebola LOL" Best of luck.