I just by curiosity visit here and am wondering how in the world you being as a Jehovah's Witness ,so the Bible Student it is understood,could ever have thought of people as innocent !!! We are all sinners and we all deserve to die. Where did you find innocent poeple around you? How many times I could think I desrve a death for what I have done in my life !!!
Posts by OBVES
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by getingout inthe sickest thing you every witnessed in your kh?.
sept 16th, the brothers and sisters were talking about the wtc crashes.
they felt it was a sure sign that this system of things is about to end.
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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...
by Adonai438 inif jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
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You got it all mixed up !! Bible is hard to understand and that iw why we have so many interpretations of the Bible.Why do,then, theologians say that we cannot understand what is the Trinity and you also seem to confirm that despite of your statement it is not hard to understand the Bible.
Also are you claiming that a person who has a faith in Christ whether he believes in literal hell or not doesn't matterIf so, why not all believers are together and why don't you join one time one Christian denomination and another time (one week later) yet another denomination and so on; to prove the views don't matter but the faith in Jesus is all what counts ? -
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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...
by Adonai438 inif jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
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Let's use common sense here as a 10-year old child can understand that:
You say God is three persons or in three persons:
the Father , the Son ,the Holy GhostJesus and I say that the Father only is the true God whoch is on the left side above .
So who is right? You or Jesus and me ? John 17.3;20.17 -
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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...
by Adonai438 inif jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
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are you wiser than Jesus who had said that the Father is the only true God !!! You introduced three persons which are one God and that is not true as Jesus says one person from these three persons is the true God.And this is eternal life to know you (Father) as teh only true God .. So two other persons are excluded from being God at all.
Go to the school children and explain my point and yours.
What you are saying is contrary to the Bible.God is not in three persons or three persons he is in thousands of his true worshippers. So do you want to tell me now there are thousands gods or Gods?
God is one and in due time he became the Father - Psalm 2.7/God was not always the Father he took upon this function in some time. -
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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...
by Adonai438 inif jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
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It is not written that we need God's guidance to understand the Bible? Is not not written : "here a little and there a little;precept unto precept" when we search for the truth-1 Corinthians 2.6-16; Isaiah 28.10 ?
It is written that God rested on the seventh day ?
Did God rest from creating if he creates stars,clouds,rain,frost ect?
Please ,answer me these questions? It is there "And God rested ..
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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...
by Adonai438 inif jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
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Should we worship Jesus ? Of course , we should do but that is not not to be a worship we owe to God Yahweh.
But the Bible says it is God that must be worshipped only !!
The Bible says not to call anyone God but God can do it and he called Moses God and the people recognize that and Jesus is called God too. Some great servants will be called gods - servants of the true God. We read everything in the light of the Bible and we know that God Yahweh is God in the full meaning ,so the same regards the word "worship".The worship of God Yahweh is different than worship of Jesus.For example, we are not to pray to Jesus.So the worship given to him is not the same like worship given to God Yahweh.
The Bible says clearly that God forgives sins and yet Jesus was forgiving sins and what else Jesus alone told us to forgive each other's sins !!! So we have graduation in forgiving sins.
"Forgive our sins as we forgive others ".If God can only forgive so what are Gods if Jesus told us to forgive sins-Matthew 6.12-15.
So again we come out of this apparent mess by interpreting the Bible with the Bible and using common sense and logic.
I am going to write a post about using simple common sense and logic in understanding the Bible.
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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...
by Adonai438 inif jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
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At least you are giving the references that are engaging us in the discussion.
No,the references you are giving don't prove Jesus is that God you are thinking about.
You know such use of words when a person is ascribed something and yet that person didnt' take any direct part in what took place.
It is a very known statement Hitler killed 7 mln Jews. Did Hitler kill a single Jew ? Probably not and yet people say he killed 7 million Jews !!!
So saying that Christ created all things can have simliar figurative meaning that he didn't do a thing but God did for Christ's sake !!!So we have one question settled .
I am pciking up some that may be very controversial.
I know very well Isaiah 9.6 .
It doesn't prove Jesus is God the Almighty but that through Jesus we can know or learn who is God the Almighty ,his Father !!!
You didn't understand my some previous posts and that is a serious problem here now.
I wrote if Jesus is a Saviuor it means that through him only God (the Father) saves us.
If Moses was called God ;it doesn't mean he was God but that through him Israelites could know or learn who was God of Israel.
If the apostles worked miracles it was not they did so but God worked miracles through them and it is obvious if we know who is God and what he can do and what man can do.
It is absolutely sure Jesus was not eyt existing when God started creating the universe from point zero .There was nothing .
If you want to bulid something you must have tools forst and materials to start creating something. Are you saying Jesus was floating in the emptiness with nothing around him ?! It doesn't seem logical at all.
He said in Matthew 28.20 he will be always with his disciples and that doesn't say he is or will be everywhere. I can be always with my brother and sisters in mind,thinking about them frequently and that was what Jesus had on mind !!!Don't foregt that Jesus had said he couldn't do a thing unless by God's power (his Father's power).So how can you mix God with Jesus. God has power to reveal Jesus what Jesus wants to know.
So say.1000 people prayed to God today and Jesus can ask God to let him know what each of those 1000 were praying for and God can reveal that to him for,say, one more weeks in heaven.
He can know all the details of what I am writing on this forum if he asks God in heaven to reveal it to him.In this sense since God allows him to know things Jesus can know "everything" !!! Yet ,he is not the same as God Yahweh and cannot know all things at the same time and be present everywhere and vice versa.With respect to "I AM" again let's not forget all Hebrew letters were small .If so , we have "i am" then. When we read Revelation 3.12 there will be some servants of God who will have God's name writen on their forheads.
If you saw "Beatles" written on the musical instrument you could easily recognize that the group of people were called Beatles. So if you saw God's name which is "i am" on the foreheads fo some people you could think they are " gods " .Yahweh is also god (in the Hebrew language all letters are small !!!).So how many gods or Gods we would have then ?? And here lies the problem so many people can't get out and twist the Scripture. Yes all those servants are gods and yet we read those words in the light of the Bible and we can easily get to know that Yahweh the Father is another kind of god,Jesus another kind of god and 144000 servants yet another kind of gods !!!
And I gave already explanation before which you rejected or don't understand,
So Yahweh is " I AM " using the Englsih language makes it easy to discern the differences. Jesus is " I am" .144000 are "i am".
Like the word lord;
Yahweh is the LORD. Jesus is the Lord, 144000 are lords !!!
Yahweh is GOD, Jesus is God,144000 are gods !!!
I have done so to help you understand how it shoudl be renedered in the Bible in the English language if I were a translator. -
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My friend's question about 1914
by hungry4life inthe friend that i spoke of earlier has many questions about scriptural misaplications used by the wts.
she is still a witness but is searching diligently for the true truth.
i have simpler reasons for not wanting anything to do with the borg, and have to be honest in saying i have not done alot of research on the topics she is interested in.
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I think that the words we read in Matthew 24 " what will be the signs of thy coming" imply the ongoing process of Jesus coming back again.So ,it could have started in 1914 AD and goes on. It is like you,say, are going to see me and began a journey from Sydney,Australia on January,1,2002 and I can see now signs now ( your letter,relephone call,e-mails) that you are on your way .So the Watchtower took the start of the journey as Christ came invisibly and rules or the like.
Now as far as coming of Jesus is concerend it is not that Christ is literally on his way to the earth but his presence is gradually manifested through some chosen people of God and Taze Russell must have been one of them. Christ was manifested through him and mankind could see Christ't invisible presence but it was not yet the second coming of Christ .It will occur when all signs as given in Matthew 24.3-29 have been fulfilled.
I can predict some things that they are going to happen and when they happen I can say "it is my day !!!" as those predictions come to pass. So what the last generations saw was Christ's day as his words were being fulfilled and still being fulfilled.
Right now I don't have to much time but I will write more on the subject of the year 1914 and teh end-time era.By the way if you read my posts and you can easily access them by clicking under my name OBVES you can already get some idea about the year 1914 and you can print those posts and send your friend by mail.
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Good news for modern OBVEServers
by unclebruce inhey obves,.
goodnews - i just crunched your numbers with biblemans numbers and broke the mathmatical equations down to iir2 .. let me double check the algebra ... x2 + x + 41 = prime number - xerxies x nabonidus + daniel 360 = jesus pies are squared.
.. yep works every time .. break an equation down far enough and out pops old iir2.
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You should have checked the Bible ,not the algebra book.
We turn to God and his word for a wisdom that brings eternal happiness. You need algebra when playing stocks and when helping kids to do their homework if they are not good at math. -
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Good news for modern OBVEServers
by unclebruce inhey obves,.
goodnews - i just crunched your numbers with biblemans numbers and broke the mathmatical equations down to iir2 .. let me double check the algebra ... x2 + x + 41 = prime number - xerxies x nabonidus + daniel 360 = jesus pies are squared.
.. yep works every time .. break an equation down far enough and out pops old iir2.
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Before you undertake any calculations ,purporting to be a prophesying person ,you need to find a true God , God of the Bible otherwise you will be acting foolishly and I can see how mess-up is your mind by the way you make calculations which have nothing to do with the Bible.