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Obves / JCannon =Are they the Anti-Christ??

by Witness 007 in

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He cannot be the pope John Paul II who died in 2005 AD. Obves is the counterbalance to that pope who was admired and worshipped by the world back then before he died .Thanks to Obves we can identify the antichrist for sure ! As he is an indicator that serves as a clue in the search for the antichrist.

Note the dates from the times of the apostle John and the apostle Paul cover life of Obves . As we superimpose the dates when Christ and his first disciples lived and preached upon our times to prove we are in the end-times the same can be done to prove we have apostles John and Paul in our times spiritually present !

It can be so as Obves is covered by life span of Jesus Christ alone ! And I wrote about spiritual manifestations of Christ - his symbolic comings ! They are spiritual comings of Christ in the end-times before actual second coming of Christ most likely in 2011 AD.

144OOO servants are the body of Christ on earth ! Adam and Eve = one man . Christ + 144OOO menservants = Christ .

Every one from the class 144000 is like Christ and the last seperate servant as per Luke 9.49-50 should fit this plan the best way . That is why that one single servant in the reference was singled out as one peculiar case.

The period 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD is a peculiar period in the end-time era and is linked to the period 29 AD-33 AD -36 AD the best way.

The people in the Watchtower can tell you that the understanding of the Bible becomes better with the passing time . They are known for the New Light . The International Bible Students have : 1914 AD-1918 AD -1921 AD while Jehovah's Witnesses have 1935 AD-1942 AD . My 7-year periods are 1984 AD -1988 AD-1991 AD , 2004 AD - 2011 AD. You should examine my views if I have a good reason to act alone as that one single servant as per Luke 9.49-50 or someone else fits in better in this plan.

1950 AD = 70 AD. 96 AD-The Book of Revelation .98 AD - The last writings by John . 70 AD - 96 AD = 26 years ; 70 AD - 98 AD = 28 years. 1950 AD + 28 years = 1978 AD 1978 AD + 26 years = 2004 AD.Paul : 47 AD - 65 AD = 18 years 47 AD = 1973 AD 65 AD = 1955 AD 1955 AD - 1973 AD = 18 years.29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 7 years for John . 2004 AD + 7 years = 2011 AD. 36 AD-47 AD = 11 years : 1973 AD - 1984 AD for Paul. 65 AD -70 AD = 1950 AD -1955 AD .

The period of 1950 AD - 1984 AD covers the span life of Jesus Christ . 1984 AD fall - 1988 AD spring = for Christ's mission of 3.5 years. Christ 2 BC - 33 AD = 33.5 years

Adam 4027 BC fall - 4010 BC fall when he sinned = 17 years Eve 4026 AD spring - 4010 BC = 16.5 years 17 + 16.5 = 33.5 years.Eve was in Adam ,so we can use 17 years for her : 17 + 17 = 34 .Since the two calendars were used : the spring and fall ones we can add half a year : March ,1950 AD spring + half a year + 34 years = 1984 AD fall .

If Obves can be called the spriitual manifestation of the apostles John and Paul II and is "John Paul II" by using the dates as above he should be also the manifestation of Jesus Christ ! So he is like Jesus Christ , John the apostle and Paul the apostle as if they were living in our times ! This can happen only symbolically or spiritually !

How should a reader understand the last sentence above ? If God Yahweh wanted Christ to be like any human being as we are exactly and live in our times and represent God he would chose a simple human being like me to that representation . And it happened ! I believe God Yahweh chose me for that purpose . The same applies to the apostles John and Paul . God Yahweh manifests them in me ! They cannot live again as sinful people but their spirit is revealed in my person.The spirit of Jesus Christ should be revealed in my person.This is is in a peculiar way as all belonging to the class of 144000 have the same spirit of Christ revealed in them .

Note that I am singled out from the class of priests of 144000 just as pope John Paul - a Vicar who allegedly represents Christ was also singled out from the class of priests !

Obves as the spiritual John Paul II claims to be manifestation of Jesus Christ and Pope John Paul II was viewed by many christians as the manifestation of Jesus Christ ! The two opposing persons and they cannot be right at the same time ! One of them must represent the spirit of the antichrist in the end-time era !

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Obves / JCannon =Are they the Anti-Christ??

by Witness 007 in

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No doubt he has a very interesting views and is distinctive in what he is teaching .One of the basic characteristics of the true christianity is it cannot be a mainstream religion before Christ comes back . So , most christian churches the world admires as wrong ! Isalm is wrong and even Judaism is disqualified ! We look for the true christianity in the least expected places ! Among cults , sects and there must one true distinctive sect as per Acts 28.22 and Jehovah's Witnesses fit this description today as they are a sect or cult that is true to the Bible.

Then we look for a single person as per Luke 9.49-50 . This can be only one person that best fits the reference .

And know I am not against Jehovah's Witnesses though I have a different understanding of the Bible !

Harold Camping who predicts the same year as I do -2011 AD - is my most challenging opponent as he is against all religions including Jehovah's Witnesses . He explains the Bible very good and is a distinctive preacher to be a candidate for that one single position as in Luke 9.49-50 but by the fact alone he is attacking Jehovah's Witnesses he is dead wrong and cannot be that single servant coexisting with Jehovah's Witnesses.

J Canion is a very distinctive preacher to be considered as a candidate for that one single post of the single independent servant as per Luke 9.49-50 !

To be considered for that post a preacher must have a whole body of doctrines based on the Bible ! This allows us to disqualify most preachers ! The person must have a unique set of teachings and JCanon meets this requirement. Harold Camping too and Prince Michael in Poland ( a preacher I have mentioned already earlier ) meets this requirement .

And to call JCanon , Harold Camping or the Polish Prince Michael a false prophets is not an easy task !

Matthew 24.11 speaks about false prophets who will deceive many ! JCanon had not deceived many ! He may have a small following but he has not many . So it is not so easy to call him a false prophet if possible !

Where are the false prophets then ? Where must we look for them ? In the nominal christian churches among popes ,clergy and pastors !We can say of them they had deceived many ! This a good indicator Matthew 24.11 how to determine who is a false prophet in the end-times. Single preachers acting alone should be not taken into account ! By the way , we don't determine false prophets by the predictions of the end of the world ! The nature of that type of prediction is different as no one is supposed to wait up to the very end .that is the given date- to find out if a person is or not a false prophet.

The predictions of the end of the world must be excluded from the process of defining who is a false prophet !

Calling Jehovah's Witnesses false prophets is misunderstanding of the Bible ! The predictons of the end of the world ever made by Bible Students can not serve as a factor in defining who is false prophet . They have the true christian religion ! If you disqualify them you must show the other religion that is true in their place ! There is none ! But if we are in the end-times there must be one present otherwise the end of the world cannot take place !

Read Matthew 7.13,21-23 : Many will say that day Lord ,Lord .. and I will answer them go away from me .

This cannot be about Jehovah's Witnesses at all ! This must be about many people who were deceived - majority ! It can only be so in the main stream christian religions where do we find many false prophets in thousands and many deceieved in hunderds of millions !

Not among JCanon and his tiny group ! Not among Jehovah's Witnesses who number in modest millions of followers.And if you read about the religious views JCanon holds he is better off than those who are in the catholic or protestant churches !

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Obves / JCannon =Are they the Anti-Christ??

by Witness 007 in

OBVES

It is in the Roman Catholic Church ! How can we be sure of that ? By identification using the Book of Revelation !

Revelation 13.11-18.

If we did not have the timeframe of the end-time era it would be not so convincing to know who is the antichrist today .

What John the Apostle saw on the Isle of Patmos was also the future political map some 2000 years ahead of time ! This could serve already as the proof God Yahweh exists and He gave us the Bible ! Only God Yahweh could know the future events and how men will bahave to form the specfic borderlines between the countries.

As we looked down to the Earth from above - say 10 000 miles above- we could see in the 1984 AD there the following :

Below in front of the Red Beast which was the Soviet Russia and its satellites is Italy in the shape of the animal having two lamb's horns on the top near the Alpes Mountains. So ,we see the second beast which is symbolized externally by Italy - Roman Catholic Empire !

It is there we look for the seat of the antichrist and place him especially in the period 1984 AD -1991 AD.Then we can add 1994 AD .

1984 AD-1994 AD = 10 years as symbolic 10 days.

The false opposing teachings as presented by pope John Paul II represented the spirit of the antichrist. No religious figure since Christ was so admired and worshipped like John Paul II was ! The only one pope in the whole history and it will never be repeated in the future !

And we have dates linked to the oppresive Roman Empire to link pope John Paul II.

81 BC = 1920 AD ( 1,9,2,0) ! the year this pope was born ! 81 BC = "18 " seen in the Hebrew when read from right to left . 1x9x2 = 18 .Then 63 BC which is 18 years later in our times it is the year 1938 AD - the year related to the dry rebellious fig tree - physical Israel .1920 AD + 28 years for God's numerical value = 1948 AD- the fig tree appears as the natural Israel becomes a political entity.

81 BC - 1920 AD 63 BC = 1938 AD 36 BC =1965 AD 18 BC = 1983 AD 7 BC = 1994 AD 2 BC = 1999 AD 4 AD = 2004 AD 11 A=2011 AD 81 BC - 4 AD = 84 years 1920 AD - 2004 AD = 84 years. The end-time hour can be changed into 85 years and 83 years . 36 AD + 83 years = 119 AD 1920 AD + 85 years = 2005 AD- life span of John Paul II.

At the same time the True Spiritual John Paul II is placed on the end-time scene and if you read what I wrote today on this thread you can know that God Yahweh chose me to be that Spiritual John Paul II -as the opposing figure to the pope John Paul II ! HalleluYAH !

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Obves / JCannon =Are they the Anti-Christ??

by Witness 007 in

OBVES

This is another controversial topic as most people have no idea who is the antichrist ! No wonder that is why so many are deceived.

1 John 4.3 gives us the clue who is the antichrist.This is the personified spirit of the enemity against Jesus . I cannot be a man as it no man on the face of the earth lived back then when Christ and his disciples lived and continued to live on up to the present.

If that is the spirit of the enmity that denies Christ came in the flesh how come it was and disappeared and was to appear again ? The enimosity against Christ was all the time as the churches were in the existence always from the time of the first apostles throughout the ages.

The solution is that for the antichrist to be present there must be the true worship of God Yahweh and Jesus present ! For the antchrist to disappear the True Christianity had to disappear at the same time !And it had to disappear if we want to speak about the spirit of the antichrist disappeared .

If you know my calculations and date I have arrived at I can set forth the timetable for the spirit of antichrist. We can speak of the antichrist only when the opposing spirit - the spirit of Truth is present and for that to happen there must be servants of God who belong to the body of Christ ,that is a bride consisting of 144000 servants of Christ.

If we know these 144000 are present we can speak about the opposing spirit to their teachings and that is the spirit of the antichrist.

The cut-off date was 150 AD based on Psalm 150 . Just like the date 119 AD is based on Psalm 119 . Psalm 119 has 22 Hebrew letter-alphabet that allows us to decode the whole chronology of mankind.

The period 119 AD - 150 AD ended the true christianity - so this way the spirit of the antichrist also had to have ended ! Now ,we must identify when the remnant of 144000 appears on the end-time scene and we look for great people who are opposing that remnant in what they teach !

The era for the renewed True Christianity began in 1878 AD as the year of the announcement in the likeness of 8 BC before 7 BC.Then we have 1883 AD for 3 BC as 1884 AD is for 2 BC. Now ,we know that the spirit of the antichrist could have appeared in 1879 AD - 1884 AD at the earliest after the break ! There was no spirit of the antichrist between 150 AD - 1878 AD for sure as there was no True Christianity in that period as there were no servants from the class of 144000 chosen people by God Yahweh.

Once we locate the remnant of the 144000 then we can search for their great enemies to call them the antichrists as they have the spirit of the antichrist in them and oppose those belonging to the 144000.

Who is the best candidate to be called the antichrist ?

As I move along the timeline I have come using the calculations I come upon the dates like 1920 AD and 1921 AD.

1920 AD = 1 9 2 0 = 1 x 9 x 2 = 18 1921 AD = 1 9 2 1 = 1x9x2x1 = 18 18 = 6+6+6=18 = "666"

18 reversed in the Hebrew we read from right to left is 81 .

I had Pslam 150 and 150 AD , Psalm 119 and 119 AD now I can have 81 BC for 18 .

81 BC + 18 = 63 BC ( 6x3=18) + 26 or 28 for God's name ( numerical values) = 37 BC - 35 BC . The spirit of the antichrist must be linked with the Roman Empire and in our times it the Roman Catholic Church and in her we look for the best expression of the antichrist.

1920 AD + 18 years = 1938 AD + 28 years = 1966 AD + 18 years = 1984 AD as we have 36 BC + 18 years = 18 BC 18 years = "666" 18 BC + 46 years - John 2.20: " 46 years this temple was in building = 29 AD.

1938 AD -1945 AD - The Jewish Tribulation of 7 years was started by the Crystal Night in 1938 AD !

The date 1984 AD hides the dates 29 AD and 18 BC and 17 BC. 1966 AD - 2000 years = 35 BC 81 BC + 2000 years = 1920 AD.

1966 AD + 45 years = 2011 AD 1966 AD + 46 years = 2012 AD

The pope John Paul II was born in 1920 AD and we can use the numerical values of God's name to identify him as the enemy of God under the cover of piousness ! 1920 AD + 28 years = 1948 AD ( linked to the appearance of the dry fig tree : the natural Israel ) + 30 years = 1978 AD when he was chosen + 26 years or 27 years as God's name also stands for " 7 Times" = 2004 AD - 2005 AD.

If you know me from some usenet groups I was predicting the year 2004 AD and 2005 AD.

Popes and clergy men and pastors from organized nominal christian churches constituted and constitute the spirit of the antichrist.In the organized nominal christian churches we look for the Satan sitting there on the Throne .

The dates I have arrived at point also to the amazing fact that God Yahweh has me in His plan as the True John Paul II from Poland .

John Paul II (pope ) was from Poland like me .I my case I can use the following:

1950 AD in the line of John the Apostle ... + 28 years + 26 years + 30 years = 2034 AD

1950 AD ... for 96 AD and 98 AD from 70 AD .. 26 + 28 = 2004 AD and + 7 years for 29 AD-33 AD-36 AD = 2011 AD

1950 AD in the line of Paul the Apostle ... 47 AD - 65 AD or 18 years .... 1950 AD= 70 AD .... 1955 AD + 18 years = 1973 AD . The year 1973 AD was the year I began to be deeply involved in the prediction of the end of the world.

1973 AD - 2012 AD = 39 years which stands for the Old Testament as it has 39 books: 27 + 12 .

The True John II Paul II - "John Paul II" was not pope John Paul II the world knew and admired .He died .But when alive he represented the perfect oppositon to what I was teaching.All those great ones who vigorously oppose me and all others who are truly from the class of 144000 can also have the spirit of the antichrist !

Huh ! It is really complicated to identify the antichrist as we must exert ourselves to go into such intricate details ! No wonder many still await the coming of the antichrist ! They were unable to identify him before !

You cannot oppose the true servants of God Yawheh and Jesus in our times and teach others to do the same you are putting yourself on war footing with God Himself !

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Reasons You Hated Being A Jehovah's Witness

by minimus in

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my biggest reason: the religion is stupid.

plain and simple.

OBVES

There is no other book man produced that can measure up to the Bible . The way it was written is pointing to the obvious fact it must come from God Yahweh.

The time you spend with other people talking about the Bible is the best time spent ! If you could come to Washington ,D.C and see me I could show you how most people waste their time ! How man's energy is being lost by stupid actions of people who don't live according to the Bible.

How great it is we are now living in the end-time era and it is most likely that in the year 2011 AD there will a new world order established for those who loved God Yahweh and accepted the Bible as the best ever book for man to live a true happy life. How glad I am that it is so close to the freedom when the floodgates will be open to the prosperity of man .This will be the real time for those who are saved .

What no human eye saw , what no human ear heard ,these are the things God Yahweh prepared for those who love Him.Read 1 Corinthians 2.9.

The Almighty God Yahweh who created billions of galaxies with billions of stars in each guarantees the truthfulness of the given reference !

Look deep high into the sky and imagine you are shooting an arrow that goes straight into the sky all the time at the same angle 90 degrees and where it will come to a stop if your arrow goes all the time in the sam direction ! How can we live in the universe that has no end ? It seems impossible \a nd yet it must be so by reasoning and it is this reasoning is the only proof for the infinity !

If we assume the universe has limits in space that is it ends what lies beyond and we can ask and ask the same question !

The only reasoning ( a common sense) is the proof we exist ; as we cannot prove the infinity !

The same applies to God Yahweh who is infinite and we will never have scientific proofs God Yahweh exists expect we have His special manifestations some people witness before very clearly. If they are true in what they relayed in the Bible and you think you waste time reading the Bible you are out of your mind ! Soon you will cease to exist for ever ! And nobody who is saved will care about your fate !

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Lord's Witnesses

by JK666 in

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has anyone else followed the predictions of these whackjobs?

just so you all know about them, they have predicted about 20 nuclear attacks and the start of armaggedon each year for as long as i have followed them.

to enable you to get all of your affairs in order, here is their latest prediction:.

OBVES

Just click on my name OBVES and you can access ample proofs why the International Bible Students and their successors are the legitimate witnesses of God of the Bible. The modern dates that are derived from the time when Christ and his first followers lived and taught prove that !

7 BC - 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD

1879 AD - 1884 AD - 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD

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Jesus' True Message

by WTWizard in

with the reject jesus fest approaching and the god machines about to start bombarding us with their invitations, it is a good time to see what jesus actually was teaching.. i have noticed through the new testament, and particularly the gospels, that jesus was preoccupied with setting man free.

notice how many times he denounced the scribes and pharisees.

because they were teaching people to obey every little letter of the law, not the spirit.

OBVES

We have to come to the Bible sincerely and with common sense . We cannot believe the way we want to believe but as God had put it in the Bible and we must use the guiding principle given in Isaiah 28.9-10 in our search of the Truth.

Matthew 24.45-46 clearly states there will be faithful servant that feeds his own flock . Why the first christians were living in communes and had the letters addressed to them by some special servants . Did they believe in God seperately being on their own ? How about God had set up some people apostles and prophets ,teachers in the churches ?

You have to find out from the Bible if your status of being a seperate -living on his own - christian is in accordance with God's plan.

Read Matthew 25.31-40 who are these least important brothers that are with Christ in the center ?

Read the basics of the existence for any organization in a hostile environment !

With the enmity so many people show towards Jehovah's Witnesses they would collapse very fast as an organization from prospective enemies within .

Read the history books how strict organizational discipline had to be in place for the Bolshevik Revolution to take place or Red Russia to exist and how many people were killed for their opposition.

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WATCHTOWER ... Take a look at your literature!!!

by What-A-Coincidence in

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my mother, who spent 30 plus years in the org and after finding out all the scandals asked me, "when are you taking out the wt trash?

" hee hee hee.

peace out!!!.

OBVES

By all means it should ! Go to any drug store or book store and see how much paper was lost on printing so many different magazines ! On this one point God Yahweh should punish the nations as soon as possible to save our planet earth !

By the way I am working at a hotel and can see how much trash is there ! God has to do something with this horrible situation !How in the world we still have the trees ?!

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WATCHTOWER ... Take a look at your literature!!!

by What-A-Coincidence in

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friends

my mother, who spent 30 plus years in the org and after finding out all the scandals asked me, "when are you taking out the wt trash?

" hee hee hee.

peace out!!!.

OBVES

It cannot be denied in view of the latest understanding of the Bible that happens according to Daniel 12.4 as I have shown that the Watchtower stands on its own feet firmly as it is linked to the end-time chronology.

The year 1879 AD is mentioned in the Watchtower literature at the back of "the Babylon the Great Has Fallen " and even today Jehovah's Witnesses may not realize the importance of that date as I am showing ! It is an independent - impartial judgement . The other date is 1884 AD and then 1914 AD.

The name "Watchtower" was in existence back then and who is upholding this name today ? Jehovah's Witnesses "as they have the Watchtower name on them" ! The governing body is the Watchtower and they have the publication called the Watchtower .

As we move forward in understanding of the Bible as God Yahweh had set up of course what we understood years ago may become inactual later on but nevertheless the contents of the publications served their purpose in due time.

The Book of Revelation ( A red cover book known to many I assume ) is the example ! It is all accurate book.

Many publications by the Watchtower may have texts that are not accurate and yet they presented the understanding of the Bible one of the best . There were no better religious publications by the religious organization than the Watchtower published.

The chronology the Watchtower came up is amazing to me and you can see by reading my posts on some usenet groups how marvellous it is and I don't belong to the Jehovah Witness organization !

By the chronology alone they gave they must be considered the true christian religion.

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..Armageddon Day..

by OUTLAW in

as most of you know..armageddon will soon be here..and..the "new system" will be in place.....there will be plenty of dead people to clean up..but..you`ll be able to pet lions and talk to blueberrys!...........everyone has been waiting for armageddon..won`t that day be a day of celebration?!

!........just an idea...we could use the dead,as part of the celebration!..you can put one in your living room,put lights and tinsel on it and presents under it for the whole family!

!................do you think we will celebrate "armageddon day" in the new system?................outlaw

OBVES

If know my posts from some usenet discussion groups on the internet , you can learn why should we expect the end of the present evil wold system very soon. It is high time that true worshippers could live in a decent world where they can fully express their potential in a very friendly environment !

What I have observed during my 28 years of living in the US is a horrendous story to tell and this evil world must go as soon as possible.Mankind has degenerated and life is unbearable for those who want to live a holy life as prescribed by the Bible.

I have a neigbour living above me who is can be the perfect picture of man's degeneration. My words cannot express how man without right knowledge of God and disobeying the Bible can be so difficult to deal with .

The things are very bad ,very bad and I have been witnessing so many bad things people do if they don't live according to the Bible.

Man is not able to build the happy life and only God Yahweh can do so and it will be clear sooner or later.

Those who are not searching for the Truth of the Bible and live in rebellion against God of the Bible must go once for all the time.

All the justice God does is just and no one will win his argument with the Perfect God . All who will die will deservedly. And then the earth will be free for all who desire the happiness under God's just rule.

There is no hot hell like many religions of the world teach for those whom God Yahweh will reject but eternal death which is a horrible when one realize it means eternal non-existence for the condemned .

Once you realize you will never see the shining sun over you , you had sex and it will be no more and you had so many things at home and they will not be any more for you it is a tragedy of all proportions.The words cannot express the agony of being lost forever.

What do I expect after Armaggedon ?

As a true servant of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ I hope:

to love God Yahweh and Jesus Christ and those who follow them ; to become a very beautiful man of age of 27- 33 forever ,never to grow old ; to have a very beautiful always and enjoy sex and have at least hundreds of children in the eternity, to have all material things man can have at my disposal; I would like to travel and live in all parts of the earth and travel to other galaxies and live there too. I would like to examine as much of the universe as it is possible , including our earth above all; I would like to learn all languages of the world ; read all books man has ever produced and to master all trades ; one time I would like to be a musician another time a singer and yet another time a sportsman . I would like to have good dreams ! It is already enough to say that to achieve all of that I must live eternally ! That is why only God Yahweh can do it for me ! How Good Great Expectations !

Let me put it simply now to make a point ,if you a man . Right now on my right side ,close by, I have a picture of a beautiful sexually attractive young woman and if you are lost and realize at Armageddon God Yahweh created this woman and could give you the same looking woman for a wife and you could enjoy sex with her you will go crazy from dispair.

Love and praise and honor and power to the Almighty God Yahweh through His Son Jesus Christ for ever and ever ! Amen.

HalleluYAH ! Amen.