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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

OBVES

If anyone disagrees with the dates I am giving and which are based on the Bible let him bring other dates and show perfect plan of salvation God Yahweh has for the mankind. Time symmetry is one of the best way to show God's power and wisdom in His doings with mankind .It shows that God rules over mankind and time for mankind history is predetermined by time frames God had set forth.

Let's take the period 1914 AD - 1944 AD which is a period of 30 years that reflects God's name in our times in its numerical settings.

YHWH was 10,5,6,5th letter in Psalm 119 . Psalm 119 reflects the year 119 AD . The year 2004 AD is shown in my calculations to reflect the year 119 AD .

7 BC = 1879 AD , 2 BC = 1884 AD ..... 106 AD = 1991 AD , 119 AD = 2004 AD , 149 AD = 2034 AD . Note the time gaps between the dates are virtually the same .And the distance is 1885 years .

119 AD + 1885 years = 2004 AD .

It was in the year 2004 AD when the application of 22 Hebrew letters in Psalm 119 took place in establishing the endtime era.

1914 AD - 1944 AD = 30 years .This period is covered by God's name YHWH which must be now 11,6,7,6 to replace 10,5,6,5 .One unit is added to each number in 10,5,6,5.

Now we must find the important events in the period of 30 years that will reflect this new setting . 4 years were added to 26 which is a total of 10+5+6+5 = 26 .

There was an international economic crisis that lasted 4 years in 1929 AD - 1933 AD . So ,now it is easy to locate 10,5,6,5 in that period of 30 years:

1914 AD - 1919 AD - World War I which is 5 years , 1919 AD - 1929 AD - Peaceful period = 10 years ,

1933 AD - 1938 AD - Another peaceful period which is 5 years and now we have 6 years remaining from 10,5,6,5 .

1938 AD - 1944 AD - World War II which is 6 years .

Suppose the world war began in 1912 AD and ended in 1919 AD the whole setting would be messed up ! The war I had to begin in 1914 AD .Not earlier neither one year later in 1915 AD.

The Great Depression could not begin in 1927 AD or in 1934 AD . It had to begin in 1929 AD as God set up the time frame !

The world war could not begin in 1937 AD or in 1946 AD .It had to begin in 1938 AD ( or 1939 AD ) .It could end nor later than in 1945 AD .But w ecan think it ended in 1944 AD when the Big D-Day invasion took place and the hope for peace were 100% certain so we could think the war II ended in 1944 AD.

The world war I ended in 1918 AD but the peace treaty was signed in 1919 AD .So, we can assume that the world war I ended in 1919 AD.

The International crisis was in 1929 AD - 1932 AD but you can find the information too it ended in 1933 AD.The invasion of Sudeten land in 1938 AD could be seen as the begining of world war II and we add the Crystal Night in November that year when the sufferings of the Jews began in cruel way .

So,we have some events that we can navigate and get the right time periods assigned to that era that of 30 years.

And then we can tranfer these horrible time spans into later time of the spiritual tribulation :

1984 AD ... 6 years ..... 1990 AD ... 4 years ... 1994 AD ...... 5 years ...... 1999 AD .

6 years for 1938 AD - 1944 AD, 4 years for 1929 AD-1933 AD, 5 years for 1914 AD - 1919 AD .

1944 AD - 1984 AD = 40 years which like a period of testing .

Revelation 9.5 about 5 months can be placed in this period :

5 months = 150 days from Noah's Flood - Genesis 7 and 8 .

150 days = 40 days = 40 years - Ezekiel 4.6 : one day = one year.

So , we have 30 years : 1914 AD - 1944 AD + 40 years : 1944 AD - 1984 AD and 15 years for 1984 AD - 1999 AD .

30+40+15 = 85 years . 85-year period is typical of the last endtime era hour .

83 years were for : 36 AD + 83 years = 119 AD.

And for our times 85 years : 1914 AD - 1999 AD or 1920 - 2005 AD .

The dates the Watchtower gives in the publication "Babylon the Great Has Fallen " at the end of it are maverlous how in the world they could come up with such date alignment of their own ? ! The couldn' t do so unless they were directed by God of the Bible .

And now someone outside of their circles is able to prove these dates are the dates God Yahweh had set up !

2492 BC + 120 years .... 430 years + 430 years + 45 years + 430 years + 430 years + 120 years = 487 BC .

The alignement is such strong that it shows beyond any doubts God's Yahweh had hand on that .

And exactly "these unlearnt people of the Watchtower " got the biblical chronology so good !

They put 1034 BC,1027 BC ,607 BC. They have 1512 BC,1467 BC.And when we count the lenght of one generation using 14-generations from the exile into Babylon to the coming of Jesus - Matthew 1.17.

607 BC - 29 AD = 635 years - 5 years ( 7 BC - 2 BC ) = 630 years when divided by 14 we get = 45 years exactly ! And how they could know to place 45-year period between 1512 BC and 1476 BC ,not counting 40 years instead !?

Harold Camping has the date 1447 BC for Isreal leaving Egypt ( not 1513 BC ) and counts 40 years to 1407 BC .

The Watchtower counts 45 years from 1512 BC to 1467 BC , not from 1513 BC .How did they know to do that !

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Does The Watchtower even try to prove 607BCE anymore?

by VM44 in

when was the last time that the watchtower published an article that attempted to prove the year 607 b.c.e.

was correct over the year 587 b.c.e.?.

the watchtower now simply mentions the year in its publications without attempting to justify it.. proof through repetition?.

OBVES

607 BC - 430 years - 430 years - 45 years - 430 years - 430 years = 2372 BC .

2492 BC + 120 years .... 2372 BC ---- 1885 years ... 607 BC + 120 years and we come to 487 BC .

607 BC = 1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD .

2011 AD - 120 years = 1891 AD ; 2004 AD - 120 years = 1884 AD .

1884 AD - 1885 years = 2 BC . 7 BC + 1885 years = 1879 AD . 1879 AD + 120 years = 1999 AD.

29 AD + 1885 years = 1914 AD . 33 AD + 1885 years = 1918 AD. 36 AD + 1885 years = 1921 AD .

99 AD - 103 AD - 106 AD + 1885 years = 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD.

119 AD + 1885 years = 2004 AD , 149 AD + 1885 years = 2034 AD .

Using the dates like 607 BC,587 BC,537 BC ,517 BC,487 BC , 7 BC,2 BC,29 AD,33 AD,36 AD , 99 AD,103 AD,106 AD,119 AD,149 AD we can create the final endtime chronology :

1879 AD ,1884 AD,1891 AD,1914 AD,1918 AD,1921 AD,1934 AD ,1984 AD,1988 AD,1991 AD,1999 AD,2004 AD ,2011 AD,2034 AD .

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Does The Watchtower even try to prove 607BCE anymore?

by VM44 in

when was the last time that the watchtower published an article that attempted to prove the year 607 b.c.e.

was correct over the year 587 b.c.e.?.

the watchtower now simply mentions the year in its publications without attempting to justify it.. proof through repetition?.

OBVES

The Watchtower doesn't need to prove the year 607 BC now .The latest understanding of the Bible in line with Daniel 12.4,9 proves that itb is the date God Yahweh wants us to know .

607 BC is in line with 70 weeks of Daniel 9.24 when counted in a reverse way .

The understanding came in 1984 AD and we count 70 weeks this way : 7 times 70 days = 7 times 70 years = " 7 times " // + // 70 years .

1984 AD - 70 years = 1914 AD - 2520 years = 607 BC .

1984 AD - 2520 years = 537 BC - 70 years = 607 BC.

So , we have four valid dates that cannot ignored or refuted: 607 BC, 537 BC, 1914 AD , 1984 AD .

When we take the year 587 BC into account then we have :

587 BC + 70 years = 517 BC + 2520 years = 2004 AD.

587 BC + 2520 years = 1934 AD + 70 years = 2004 AD .

7 weeks as " 7 times " 7 days = " 2520 years or 420 years + 7 years .

607 BC - 7 weeks as " 7 times " as 420 years = 1027 BC - 7 years = 1034 BC .

537 BC + 7 weeks as 2520 years + 7 years = 1984 AD - 1991 AD.

517 BC + 7 weeks as 2520 years + 7 years = 2004 AD - 2011 AD .

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

OBVES

The date 607 BC is a correct date . 587 BC is correct . 537 BC is correct . 517 BC is correct ,487 BC is a correct date .

607 BC - 487 BC = 120 years = 29 AD - 149 AD = 120 years = 1914 AD - 2034 AD = 120 years.

607 BC + 635 years .. 29 AD .. 1885 years ... 1914 AD . 635 years + 1885 yeasrs = 2520 years .

607 BC backwards 1885 years = 2492 BC . 2492 BC + 120 years = 2372 BC which Noah's Flood took place .

2492 BC + 1885 years + 635 years which is 2520 years = 29 AD !

2372 BC + 2520 years = 149 AD .

2492 BC ..... 1885 years .... 635 years .... 1885 years .... 1914 AD .

2372 BC ... 1885 years ... 635 years .... 1885 years .... 2034 AD .

Time symmetry is a very important factor in God's workings as it shows God's perfectness and His perfect plans .

We must sytick to God's arrangements .

One generation of Israel was 45 years after she left Egypt in 1513 BC.

1512 BC - when true wroship was restored we count 45 years .. = 1467 BC .

607 BC ... 29 AD = 635 years . We take out 5 years for 7 BC - 2 BC . We get 630 years for 14 generations from Israel's exile to Babylon .

630 years : 14 generations = 45 years for one generation.

1512 BC and 1467 BC are correct. 607 BC, 29 AD-33 AD - 36 AD = 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD are correct.

7 BC + 1885 years = 1879 AD , 2 BC + 1885 years = 1884 AD, 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD + 1885 years = 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD .

70 AD + 1885 years = 1955 AD . 99 AD - 103 AD - 106 AD + 1885 years = 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD .

119 AD + 1885 years = 2004 AD , 149 AD + 1885 years = 2034 AD .

The dates : 1879 AD,1884 AD ,1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD are related to the International Bible Students Association .

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

OBVES

The case is closed .

These dates must be taken into account when we want to know the endtime era and when the Gentiles may have ended or will end .

607 BC , 587 BC, 537 BC,517 BC , 487 BC .

607 BC ...... 70 weeks as 7 times ( 250 years and extra 2520 days as 7 years at the end ) + 70 years = 1984 AD - 1991 AD.

587 BC ... 70 weeks as 7 times ( 2520 years and extra 2520 days as 7 years at the end ) + 70 years = 2004 AD - 2011 AD.

607 BC + " 7 times " as 2520 years = 1914 AD .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

OBVES

The chronology that can be found near the end of the book " Babylon the Great Has Fallen " is one that I recommend anyone who is interested in the endtime predictions. Using my methods of calculations based on the Bible I was able to prove the chronology the Watchtower gives is reliable very much . There are small discrepencies however that my calculations can show.

587 BC is the year when Jerusalem Temple was destroyed and Harold Camping who proclaims the coming of Jesus this year and has 11013 BC for the creation of the world also has the date 587 BC in his chronology .

Once this one date is established accurate doors open to other dates to be fixed .There must be an ideal order in dating .

607 BC ... 587 BC ... 537 BC ... 517 BC .

And these have their corresponding dates in our times :

1914 AD , 1934 AD , 1984 AD, 2004 AD . Note the same time gaps between the dates in both sets .

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The Great Day Of Jehovah is Near!!

by wannabe in

{revelation 16:15}.

{matthew 24:7}.

the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will tell us that matthew 24:7 was fulfilled in the year 1914, but such could never be true.

OBVES

You can go to my earlier posts and read and compare .

I am still using the dates 607 BC, 587 BC, 537 BC .

I had 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD and 1984 AD-1988 AD - 1991 AD and I am still using them .

I still can use August 11 ,1999 and January 21,2000 when solar and lunar eclipses took place as signs of the end .

12 years can mean 12 stars falling down from heaven .

In the year 2000 AD in the fall first star falling ( one year passed ) .

In the year 2011 AD in the fall the 12th star will fall ( the last year shall have ended ).

I use the year 1914 AD ,1942 AD ,1884 AD ,1879 AD .

I was predicting the year 2004 AD and I am still using that date .

I

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The Great Day Of Jehovah is Near!!

by wannabe in

{revelation 16:15}.

{matthew 24:7}.

the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will tell us that matthew 24:7 was fulfilled in the year 1914, but such could never be true.

OBVES

Hey, it was a prediction as you can see it . I have been predicting many times . I had the year 1991 AD .And look at my chronological endtime dates . I even defend the dates 1884 AD,1914 AD which were not mine and by these two dates alone which were predictions as far as I know I can know for sure the International Bible Students were the true revived christian religion ! Their dates prove that .They are indispensible in the final account .

I have added my response to anther thread :( Armageddon has arrived yet or so ) where I have been using the dates 1914 AD, 1984 AD .

To have a prediction reliable and that counts it must be based on the Bible and built on the best understanding of the Bible I have at a given time. The Bible is for teaching and corrections - 2 Timothy 3.16 .

I am not infallable the Bible is infallable and we do our best to come out with the most logical explanations.

Getting to the summit of a mountain may require many attempts and if all past attempts failed that doesn't mean the next one will fail .

The essence of the predictions is that we should have a good reasonable expectation for Jesus' return and we can know that he will not come unless he is not announced .He will come in a specific time and must be announced by somebody on this planet.This can be viewed be like an invitation to God that He send His Son to this earth .

My predictions in their frequency show that we must be closing in on the right time of Jesus' return .

1991 AD,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD,2005 AD and now 2011 AD .

So I can know now that Jesus will not return tomorrow 100% sure as the date set forth is September 29,2011 AD. Jesus will not come June 23 ,2011 or August 15 but when September 29,2011 AD rolls in there is a good basis built on the understaning of the Bible that he may or should come .

It is like a spaceship that returns and must pass through a proper window in the atmosphere to come down safely otherwise the return is delayed till the next opportunity .

I was predicting the year 2004 AD and it was the best from all my past predictions and now I am adding a small part : 7 years for 7 days - Genesis 7.1-4;Ezekiel 4.6 to make " a better equipment " that I hope will carry me to the summit of that mountain finally . To come up with such a better equipment again requires God's guidance and things happen just as God wants them to happen in a timely manner.

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The Great Day Of Jehovah is Near!!

by wannabe in

{revelation 16:15}.

{matthew 24:7}.

the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will tell us that matthew 24:7 was fulfilled in the year 1914, but such could never be true.

OBVES

Jesus could come spiritually in 1914 AD which was not understood by the Bible Students well before 1914 AD .For Jesus to come in glory there has to be a period of 120 years that precede his coming !

He could not come in glory in 1914 AD either in 1975 AD .Now we live in the times when the understanding of the Bible is much more accurate.

There must be also 2000 years counted as the last days .

7 BC + 2000 years = 1994 AD was in this light the first correct prediction for Jesus' return .

Jehovah's Witnesses did have the year 7 BC but 2 BC . So, 2000 years added lead to the year 1999 AD.

This would be the first correct prediction for Jehovah's Witnesses .

1999 AD - 120 years = 1879 AD .And indeed their predecessors the International Bible Students had that date in hands - " Babylon the Great Has Fallen " has a chronology near the end and there is the year 1879 AD listed.

It turns out that the times of the end must be in the likeness of times when Jesus and his disciples lived and taught a new religion .

7 BC , 2 BC , 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD must be duplicated or superimposed upon our times if we are to consider them as the endtime era .

7 BC = 1879 AD , 2 BC = 1884 AD , 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD .

70 AD = 1955 AD , 106 AD = 1991 AD .

149 AD also must be considered = 2034 AD.

29 AD - 149 AD = 1914 AD - 2034 AD = 120 years .

If you know my posts well I was pointing to the years : 1991 AD,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD,2005 AD and now to the year 2011 AD.

2004 AD was the best past prediction.

2004 AD - 2000 years = 4 AD . 2004 AD - 120 years = 1884 .And to have the year 2011 AD we must substitue 7 days from Noah's days with 7 years - Genesis 7.1-4 ; Ezekiel 4.6 : one day as one year .

2004 AD + 7 years = 2011 AD .

2011 AD - 2000 years = 11 AD .

The Day of Jehovah's seems to occur on September 29,2011 AD .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com.

All in all, the only one prediction from the past that seems to be the most important was for 2004 AD. And adding 7 years to that date makes the next prediction even better.

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OBVES & JWs If Jesus were not God,then Expl...

by Adonai438 in

jw
friends

if jesus is not god, then explain... .

-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?

-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?

OBVES

Yahweh is GOD , but Jesus is God . In the English we can easily make a distinction .In the Hebrew all letters were small so

yahweh is god , jesus is god , moses was god and the servants of god yahweh and jesus will be gods .

So ,if you don't understand the Bible you will see a confusion how many gods ?

We read each word " god " in the contextual appearance and link it with some other related passages of the Bible.

To answer your list of proofs that Jesus is God you note that Yahweh is GOD but Jesus is God . GOD is not the same as God.

<<<<

-How was it possible for Jesus to know all things, (John 21:17)?
-How can Jesus know all men (John 16:30)?
-How can Jesus be everywhere (Matt. 28:20)?
-How can Jesus, the Christ, dwell in you (Col. 1:27)?
-How can Jesus be the exact representation of the Nature of God (Heb. 1:3)?
-How can Jesus be eternal (Micah 5:1-2)?
-How can Jesus be the one who gives eternal life (John 10:27-28)?
-How can He be our only Lord and Master (Jude 4)?
-How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) if there is only one God in existence (Isaiah 44:6-8; 45:5)?
-How was Jesus able to raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21)?
-How can Jesus create all things (Col. 1:16-17), yet it is God who created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:244)?
-How can Jesus search the hearts and minds of the people (Rev. 2:23)?
-Why was Jesus worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6) when He says to worship God only (Matt. 4:10)? (same Greek word for worship is used in each place.)
-In the OT God was seen (Exodus 6:2-3; 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-9; Acts 7:2), yet no man can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). It was not the Father that was seen in the OT (John 6:46). Who, then were they seeing? see John 8:58.
-Then why did Jesus claim the divine name, "I AM", for Himself in John 8:58? see Exodus 3:14.
-Then why did Jesus say you must honor him even as you honor the Father (John 5:23)?
-Then why is it that both the Father and the Son give life (John 5:21)?
-Then why did Jesus bear witness of Himself (John 8:18; 14:6)? >>>>>>

And to conclude the matter on high note in Psalm 72.11-15 refutes all your proofs .

It is talking about Jesus there and prayer will be made for him continually .

We pray to GOD , we don't pray for GOD .