Posts by OBVES

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Divine Inspiration(?) of Scripture

by hmike in

originally, i was going to post this in my dr. ehrman's "problem" verse topic, but i didn't want to get too far off track, and this post is about divine inspiration in general, so i decided to give it a thread of its own.

1. translations are not referred to as inspired.

yet the septuagint, the greek translation of the hebrew scriptures written before the time of jesus, was quoted in the new testament.

OBVES

Note I am not specifying which version of the Bible one must use as to me any translation of the Bible is OK !

But the old version King James Bible seems to be the best to use and it is the Bible I have not translated and I would undermine the views King James had using his Bible.

The poof we are to rely the Bible is in the numbers ! By numbers I have proved God Yahweh exists ,the Bible is for our times and we live in the end-times and whose religion God Yahweh accepts today and who can make the predictions of the end of the world.

God's name in numerical setting today is like 11,6,7,6 in place of 10,5,6,5 .

YHWH -these four letters representing the name of God are a clue to the understanding.

They were in Psalm 119 in this order : Y-10th letter, H-5th letter ,W-6th ,H-5th 10+5+6+5 = 28

Now in view of pure human changes in the Hebrew alphabet we have 11,6,7,6 .

11x6 = 66 7x6 = 42

66 is the number of the books each Bible must have at least and these must be the identical books.

42 is easily recognized as " 7 Times" = 42 years 7 weeks = 7 times 7 = 42 years + 7 years = 49 years = 49 days

As I have established we have the end-time era now and it began in 1878 AD.

1878 AD - 1879 AD - 1891 AD - 1918 AD - 1945 AD - 1972 AD- 1984 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD

These are dates related to true worshippers of God Yahweh in the end-times.

What we see here is the amazing time gaps between the dates given:

1 + 12 + 27 + 27 + 12 + 1 ! The perfect alignment that shows God Yahweh had hand over our times ! He must exist and the Bible must be truly from Him !

Jesus is the Word of God = the beginning and the end - so we ascribe the dates : 1878 AD and 2012 AD to him as they are the beginning and the end of the end-times !

So ,we have 12+27 + 27 + 12 left and it goes to the the Bible as it is also Word of God !

No human beings could set the book the Bible this way as I am presenting :

The Bible can be divided into this amazing sections :

First 4 books of the Bible + 1 book ( Deuteronomy that summarizes the 4 books ) + 22 books as there 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet + 12 books and then we have 4 gospels + Acts as it summarizes the 4 gospels and 21 letters + the last book the Book of Revelation which is 22nd.

This pattern above is God's pattern of action ! This must be the only true God that gave us the Bible at any time and no man could change anything that could thwart God's plan in giving us the Bible . No later translations could change this wonderful plan !

So we have now :

1878 AD - one year for Christ - 1879 AD + 12 books of the Old Testament (at the end of it ) = 1891 AD

1891 AD + 5 books and 22 books of the Old Testament (remaining ) = 1918 AD

The book of Daniel is 27th ! Which is linked to " 7 Times" and he is the first one to speak about 7 Times ! And 7 Times = God's name numerical value as I have shown in my posts.

To understand the end-times we must know God's name and " 7 Times" and who is using God's name and " 7 times" ? We look for the true religion there who uses these !

Then we have 27 books for the New Testament : 1918 AD + 27 = 1945 AD

1945 AD + 27 books of the New Testament again !

1945 AD + 4 books = 1949 AD The Book of Acts : 1950 AD

1950 AD + 21 books that are letters by the apostles = 1971 AD 21 books indicative of " 7 Times " as well !

Then we have the Book of Revelation as 22nd that is indicative of the 22-letter Hebrew alphabet ! - 1972 AD

The years 1971 AD -1972 AD are years linked to my religious life ! 1950 AD I was born that year and that year stands for 70 AD.

1972 AD + 12 books of the Old Testament ( the last part of the Old Testament ) = 1984 AD

1984 AD is my date as shown in my posts . The period 1950 AD - 1984 AD covers the age of Christ when he lived on this earth .

1984 AD + 27 books of the Old Testament ( the first part ) = 2011 AD

The general time view of the Bible is :

Old Testament 12+27 or 27+12 . New Testament 27* .

1879 AD + 12 + 27 + 27* = 1945 AD 1945 AD + 27 + 12 + 27 = 2011 1945 AD + 27 + 27 + 12 = 2011 AD

Note all variations applicable : three types 12 on left , 12 in the middle and 12 at the end : 1999 AD + 12 years = 2011 AD

Who are you man to doubt God's perfect plan to give us the Bible ! No human at any time could mess up the Bible !

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The Number of the Wild Beast

by Isaiah8V30 in

please read the blog and watch the video.. http://matthewsgeneration.blogspot.com/.

here's the intro to my blog:.

if the scriptures in the bible are really true, then at some time we should be able to measure them against tangible events, which are actually occurring in our recent history.

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We must have the time frame to put things in place with the best possible explanation.

Since I have established the time frame for the Book of Revelation : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD + I have a good sound starting point to explain who are the two beast we find described in the Book of Revelation.

The most important period is 1984 AD - 1991 AD in this sense it reflects the period 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD as the basis for the new religious system.: christian faith.

The apostle John in a vision of the end-times saw evidently our earth in form of Globe in space looking down from the North Pole !

He saw great powers in working that will oppose God's End Time Good News.

If you still have a geographical globe from before 1984 AD put it on a table and look down to it - from the North Pole down and have Russia on the bottom.

The USSR at that time was a red beast running westwards ( the political borders of the Soviet Union resembled a shape of the beast running ) . And we count the heads of the beast in the western part : Lotva,Lithuania,Estonia,Russian Kalinningrad region as part of the Russian Republic, Belorussia ,Ukraine,Moldavia = 7 republics as 7 heads and the 8th is the whole Russian Republic .

Then we look for 10 horns those of sattellites of the Red Russia : Poland,East Germany,Czechoslovakia,Rumania,Bulgaria,Hungary which is 6 and Communist China,Mongolia,North Vietnam ,North Korea as 4 horns remaining.

This was a symbol or code to recognize we are in the end-times as Soviet Union represented atheism or hostile attitude towards God Yahweh and his people .The enmity against God Yahweh shared by many people will be that red beast then .It is like an idea that had its reflection on a political map as political systems man built will be removed by God Yahweh .

And in 1991 AD the communism collapsed .Since it was a summary of man's all political systems that were before and it was like the end of the world in 1991 AD which will be finalized in 2011 AD ; exactly like renegade Israel was destroyed in 607 BC - 587 BC = 20 years.

So , the end of the world I was predicting for 1991 AD happened that year but in a way I didn't understand earlier .

And we have 20 years left from 1991 AD for the finale ! 1991 AD + 20 years = 2011 AD.

1950 AD - 1984 AD stands for 36 AD - 70 AD in my calculations which is 34 years .

34 years was to the second destruction of Jerusalem temple - 70 AD. The dates 1950 AD,1984 AD,1991 AD these are my God-given dates and they relate to the destruction of the false christian religious system .Where is the Bible there is a holy place today ! But to most false christians it is a corrupted holy place and called the abomination of desolation as prophet Daniel wrote .

Evidently God Yahweh is going to use me to destroy all world main-stream christian religions and the teachings I am proclaiming point to that mission .

I have come with explanations in time frame 1914 AD -1984 AD -1991 AD .I am like that one individual as given in Luke 9.49-50 where you can read about a single independent disciple of Christ working on his own and yet not denying those who are a small united group of disciples that were with Christ.

The first beast is now clear understood and now what is the second beast and again we must be in the period of 1984 AD - 1991 AD.

When we look below the first beast on the Globe we can see Italy in shape of a leg or two lamb's horns at the Alpes mountains. It is there we look for the meaning of the second beast and the number 666. Roman Empire with the dates 81 BC ,63 BC,37 BC as put by the Watchtower is the predecessor of that second beast and Roman Catholic Empire is that revived Old Roman Empire.

81 BC in my calculations has its year in our times 1920 AD. 81 is reversal of 18 . 1920 = 9x2 = 18 which is 6+6+6 = 18 81 BC - 18 = 63 BC (6x3=18 )

There was a period 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD 29 - 2x9=18 36 - 3x6=18

We must place that Roman Empire in our times : 1920 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD as 29 AD - 36 AD = 1984 Ad - 1991 AD

Pope John Paul II symbolized that spirit of Pagan Roman Empire and the spirit of antichrist. He had mark of 85 which is the mark of the last hour : 85 years as 1914 AD - 1999 AD . 1914 AD - 1920 AD = 6 1999 AD -2005 AD = 6 years 6 and 6 = 66 and that is the number of books each Bible should have at least .

So the religious views pope John Paul II represented were a core of the second beast . Pope and clergy and pastors of all false christian religions share in that ! The false teachings of these great in world's eyes people are the second beast of the Apocalypse .

Since I can enlarge the final tribulation to the period 1914 AD - 1999 AD we can now see the end-time era much clearer as we head towards the final years of 20-year period with the date 2011 AD as the year all false religions will die out with the people who follow them.

The Red beast who is the first is the enmity against God from 1984 AD - 1991 AD.The second beasts represented by popes and clergy and pastors with their false teachings as opposed to those whom God Yahweh recognizes as His true servants : the remnant of 144000 .I am the last one that closed the list and I am an independent servant to fulfill God's plan as in Luke 9.49-50.

Could it be we will have the same scenario as the Jewish tradition holds : there was one man warning the Christians and the Jews about the impending destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and I believe that must have been that one individual that is spoken of in Luke 9.49-50.

I am so glad that God Yahweh in His Beloved Son Yahshua the Messiah bestowed upon me such a wonderful mission to bring down all false religions ! HalleluYAH ! Amen. So be it in 2011 AD .

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"If 1000 years is as one day" (another "ug" fwd email)

by inkling in

if 1000 years is as one day someone did the math of the 1000 years = one day equation (2 peter 3:8).. .

this is interesting: since a thousand years are in the eyes of jehovah as one day, we can look at history from jehovah's point of view like this:.

adam was created six days ago and jehovah made immediate plans to restore what he had lost for his offspring.. .

OBVES

It's happening right now before our eyes and it has been happening since 1984 AD. It's OBVES : an obvious sign we are living in the final end-times !

This is must be a fantastic - that is to say extraordinary- period in the history of mankind.

Don't stay behind you just learn how the Bible is understood today ,not what people wrote long time before in thed end-times as the understanding of the Bible increased lately immensely.

You will do good if you check on the internet how calculations based on the Bible were made before 1984 AD and how are they made now and who is making these calculations and what is the purpose in making such calculations.

The year 1984 AD opened the gates to the new way of calculating using the Bible.

70 weeks = 7 Times 70 days = "7 Times " //+// " 70 days " =2520 years = 70 years

1984 AD - 70 years = 1914 AD 1914 AD - 2520 years = 607 BC

7 weeks = 7 Times 7 days = " 7 Times" ///+/// "7 years = 2520 years + 7 years

1984 AD + 7 years = 1991 AD

1984 AD - 2520 years = 537 BC

1034 AD - 7 years = 1027 BC 1027 BC - 420 years which also means "7 Times" = 607 BC

1034 BC + 7 weeks or 7 years + 420 years = 607 BC

1027 BC + 70 weeks or 420 years + 70 years = 537 BC

1034 BC - 1027 BC - 607 BC - 537 BC - 1984 AD - 1991 AD

7 weeks + 70 weeks + 7 weeks

1034 BC - 1027 BC = 1984 AD-1991 AD

1027 BC - 537 BC = 1984 AD- 607 BC as 420 years + 70 years = 70 years + 2520 years

2520 years = 420 years as "7 Times "

70 weeks = 7 Times 70 days = 7 Times as 420 years + 70 years for 70 days = 490 days = 490 years.The clue to understand 70 weeks and 7 weeks lies in this :

7 weeks = 7 times 7 days = 7 times 7 years = 49 years We can seperate " 7 times" from 7 years and get the same result !

7 weeks = "7 times " + 7 years = 42 years + 7 years . So it is clear "7 Times" can take on a special meaning. In this case "
7 times = 42 years .

70 weeks will be : 7 times as 420 years + 70 years = 490 days = 490 years

7 times = 420 years = 42 years and it was known for a long time that 7 times mean 2520 years.

7 times 360 days in a year = 2520 days = 2520 years if Ezekiel 4.6 : one day = one year is applied.

420 years is 1/6 of 2520 years and 42 years is 1/10 of 420 years 10x6 = 60

We can add 60 years to the whole chronology of mankind based on 7 Times.

6000 years can be as 6060 years

The whole weekl for mankind is 7070 years as 7 days.

4027 BC - 4010 BC - ...... 1991 AD ... 2011 AD ... 2012 AD - 2034 AD ..... 1000 years ... 10 years = 3044 AD

4027 BC + 7070 years = 3044 AD

The 1000-year Kingdom of God will be established in 2034 AD.

Note 42 years x 6 = 252 years and that is reflected in the Hebrew alphabet of 22 letters each one having numerical order.

1 to 22 .

7 times = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7 is the same as 2x3x4x5x6x7 = 5040 7 Times here can mean 2 x 2520 years !

We can omit "one" and by adding 2+3+4+5+6+7 + ...... + 20 + 21 + 22 = 252 !

We must use God's name numerical values and the Bible with Hebrew 22-letter alphabet and 7 Times to understand God,the Bible ,the end-times and find the true christian religion and to decode mankind's chronology !

"I can sleep well on these numbers "

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Understanding Obves

by tula in

this might enlighten some of the crowd.

http://www.netrover.com/~numbers/.

although, i do think obves has a bit of his own spin on things..

OBVES

I am not making bones about it .You should verify my calculations against the calculations other people are doing if possible.

The only challenge up to now I see in Harold Camping's calculations . He is really the best on radio and tv earthwide.

Note he is 86-years old but with the intelligence he has as he shows on religious issues he beats many a man. He is peculiar example in all history of religion counting with after 150 AD .

He has calculations of his own and came up with the same date 2011 AD.

I don't see anyone else to come close to him .

He made prediction well based on the Bible for 1994 AD as I did . That prediction though unfulfilled catapulted him to the very high level .

That is why I have good reasons to see him as my greatest challenger or opponent.

The dates 1914 AD , 1991 AD,1994 AD are very fine indicative dates.

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If the end does not come in 10 years then...........

by TooBad TooSad in

if the end does not come in 10 years then nothing is going to change.

here is my reasoning.. in our hall we have friends whose grandparents thought the end was coming in 1914 then in 1925.. well they died and still our friends believe the end is near.

our friends had parents who.

OBVES

If you know my posts I have better reasons to believe the end of the world will come in 2011 AD .

Suppose you left all your possessions behind you if the end doesn't come you will still live and have hands to work and start all over again.

Mexicans - may be you saw them crossing the borders with almost empty hands -come illegally and all of a sudden they are on their feet and have big money and build big houses and have big cars etc. If you are legal you can do it much better for sure , if you only want .

The real question is what if the end comes ?

It is coming soon !

How " soon" is soon ?

And now you can see how many doubters are dead wrong on the word : soon in the Bible as to the end of the world.

You need imagination here .

The whole 6 day period take as one day .

I will show you how I do it.

4010 BC - 3010 BC - 2010 BC - 1010 BC - 10 BC - 991 AD - 1991 AD = 6000 years

60 years 4027 BC- 4010 BC =17 years 10 BC - 11 AD = 20 years 2011 AD - 2034 AD = 23 years

17+20+23 = 60 years

We are taking only : 11 AD - 2011 AD as 2000-year period.

One day has 24 hours and in the Biblical days a day began with the morning.

6 AM + 24 hours as 6000 years for simplicity .

6 AM - 2 PM = 2000 years = 2 days 2 PM -10 PM = 2000 years

10 PM-6 AM the last two days as 2000 years : 11 AD-2011 AD.

If I go to bed at 10 PM I know that in a moment I am going to fall asleep and there is no time elapse in sleep.

So in sleeping hours I can say soon 6 AM will come .Even before going to bed I can say the day is almost finished and the remaining 2000 years as 8 hours are as " soon ".

Consider the last days of the week of 6 days : Thursday and Friday as 2000 years = 2 last days = 11 AD-2011 AD

The period is the last part of the week and we can say the week will end soon !

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"If 1000 years is as one day" (another "ug" fwd email)

by inkling in

if 1000 years is as one day someone did the math of the 1000 years = one day equation (2 peter 3:8).. .

this is interesting: since a thousand years are in the eyes of jehovah as one day, we can look at history from jehovah's point of view like this:.

adam was created six days ago and jehovah made immediate plans to restore what he had lost for his offspring.. .

OBVES

Just click on author OBVES and see what I have written on the end-times.I have fantastic reasons to believe what I am writing.

You can challenge my calculations using the Bible and by presenting your calculations .

The day of 1010 years is justified by the dates that the Watchtower established long time ago without any collusion between us.

1037 BC - 1034 BC - 1027 BC ,607 BC and 537 BC are in their chronology .

1037 BC - 1994 AD = 3030 years which implies 3 days each 1010 years.

1037 BC + 3 years + 7 years + 420 years + 70 years + 2520 years + 7 years + 3 years = 1994 AD

7 years + 420 years = 7 weeks of Daniel 420 years + 70 years = 70 weeks of Daniel

2520 years + 7 years = 7 weeks of Daniel

1034 BC + 7 weeks + 70 weeks + 7 weeks = 1991 AD

3 years + ................................................. + 3 years

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"If 1000 years is as one day" (another "ug" fwd email)

by inkling in

if 1000 years is as one day someone did the math of the 1000 years = one day equation (2 peter 3:8).. .

this is interesting: since a thousand years are in the eyes of jehovah as one day, we can look at history from jehovah's point of view like this:.

adam was created six days ago and jehovah made immediate plans to restore what he had lost for his offspring.. .

OBVES

4010 BC - 3010 BC - 2010 BC - 1010 BC - 10 BC - 991 AD - 1991 AD = 6 days each day 1000 years = 6000 years

Also one day can mean 1010 years as in timeline:

1037 BC -1034 BC - 1027 BC - 607 BC - 537 BC - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1994 AD = 3030 years

10 BC + 2000 years + 20 years = 2011 AD- the last two days of 6 days for the present evil world order.

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"If 1000 years is as one day" (another "ug" fwd email)

by inkling in

if 1000 years is as one day someone did the math of the 1000 years = one day equation (2 peter 3:8).. .

this is interesting: since a thousand years are in the eyes of jehovah as one day, we can look at history from jehovah's point of view like this:.

adam was created six days ago and jehovah made immediate plans to restore what he had lost for his offspring.. .

OBVES

That is a question each ane every one should ask themselves. Then you will not come up with strange ideas.

Those who are true servants of God Yahweh today being a part of the 144000 class should interpret the Bible in the light of the right understanding of the Bible- Matthew 24.45-46 ; Luke 9.49-50;Isaiah 28.9-10

If you check my posts very well you may notice how the formula 1000 years for one day works for mankind .

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If the end does not come in 10 years then...........

by TooBad TooSad in

if the end does not come in 10 years then nothing is going to change.

here is my reasoning.. in our hall we have friends whose grandparents thought the end was coming in 1914 then in 1925.. well they died and still our friends believe the end is near.

our friends had parents who.

OBVES

So , how many dates for the end of the world the Bible Students made ? If you know my posts I have made numerous predictions of the end and these are I consider to have been very strong as they were built on the understanding of the Bible:

The first could have been a period : 1973 AD - 1977 AD back then when I was in catholic religion.

Then 1991 AD, 1994 AD, 1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD,2005 AD and now the year 2011 AD is coming and I can add 2012 AD and then 2017 AD-2018 AD, 2033 AD - 2036 AD with the year 2034 AD as the best in the period.

Count them and compare with the predictions made by the Watchtower.

Note here that I am asking you to list all the prediction dates made by the Watchtower or those who claimed to be servants as a part of that class of 144000 menservants.

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If the end does not come in 10 years then...........

by TooBad TooSad in

if the end does not come in 10 years then nothing is going to change.

here is my reasoning.. in our hall we have friends whose grandparents thought the end was coming in 1914 then in 1925.. well they died and still our friends believe the end is near.

our friends had parents who.

OBVES

You make a cardinal error if you think that true christians are not to be deeply involved in thinking about the end of the world !

It is the Bible itself that speaks about the end of the world coming. The true religion was Jewish religion and Jews gave us God's Word . And that Word speaks a lot about the end of the world like no other sacred book !

So by this feature alone the Bible is distinctive book and the true christianity based on the Bible must be distinctive from all other religions.

The fact we as true servants of God Yahweh are waging fight with our sinful nature is already the end of the world taking place in our lives.

Look at fans who are ready to stand in line for hours and pay enormous amount of money to see the sport in action - how many details they learn about the sport events or players and now compare yourself to them what a person you should be if think you like God and want to get into the Paradise ? Would you not be interested in things related to when that day may come ? And the Bible has a lot of things to say about that.

I began preaching the end some 34-35 years ago and I was in that mood of predicting the end for quite a good time. Whenever I stopped thinking about the end I made horrible errors in my life .See my posts on usenet how many posts I have made with calculations that concern a lot the end of the world predictions.It is right now my favorite activity .

What would have happened had I joined the ranks of people who are fans of worldly music , movies or sports to live a normal life ?!