Posts by OBVES

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My conversation with a Born Again.

by yourmomma in

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i spoke with a born again today.

i am wondering if this person represents how they all think or just some.

i'll assume just some.

OBVES

Be surprised ! Most people claiming to be Christians are trying to decimate the Bible by misinterpreting the Bible and the issue of being born again is an excellent example .

Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus who was a Jew . He was already a God's child as all Old Testament Israel was called the children of God .

People who are sinners are dead according to Christ ! Read the Bible well ! What happens when a person believes in Christ : he leaves the death and goes to life !

To be born again is to become a God's child again ! And only Jews - Israelites could become born again that is become a child of God again.This time it is in a spiritual sense !

It is ,then, if you talked to someone born again you most likely did not talk to the born-again believer ; in view of the fact that there is a very small number of Jews that are born again.

In the first place those born again are among those Jews who are a part of the class 140000 servants.

Christ - the first born and 144000 servants also the first born. And some of them can be born again if they were Jews before.

Can you imagine now most of those claiming to be born again were not born again at all and they most likely are in the religions that are contrary to the Bible !

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What is Heaven?

by Robert7 in

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based on my research the last few months, i think i realize what heaven is.

this is not a new concept, and i'm sure many have come to this conclusion... .

thousands of years ago, the belief was an 'earth-centric' universe.

Most people misunderstand what is heaven according to the Bible . Why ? Because the Bible is the most difficult book in the world to understand and God Yahweh who gave us the Bible kept secrets of the Bible from mankind for ages !

You will not come to the right understanding of the Bible - a level acceptable by God - unless you are a chosen one of God.

The heaven the Bible speaks about is not an invention of man as it is beyond human comprehension.

The place that was above the earth was called heaven and people could ascribe to that term "heaven " variuos meanings .

Since the New Testament era the heaven took upon a new meaning of a perfect condition.

Jesus Christ can be, say, on another planet in some other galaxy and yet we may say he is in heaven meaning he is living in the perfect condition.

Where such perfection is present there is the heaven .

"The new heaven" will be on earth in the Paradise :

Jesus Christ and his 144000 servants will constitute that new heaven and they will live in perfect physcial bodies called spiritual. It means they will live in the perfect state. In them God Yahweh's presence will be the highest . They will be the highest heaven - representing the highest level of perfectness given by God Yahweh.

So, rememeber now the heaven has another meaning a spirutual - agreed upon - meaning . It is a condition .

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Have you found Jesus since you left the wts?

by real one in

leaving the society was scary at first but i had to make myself grin and bear it.

i have renewed my relationship with christ and i am looking foward to his wonderful blessings in my future.

now that i am finally worshipping him in spirit and truth and i have the hope of going to heaven someday.

OBVES

If you know my posts very well and check the usenet group alt.apocalypse you can learn who has got the right Jesus ! Your faith must be covered by God's end-time plan as I have presented .

The end-time line is based on the ancient times when Christ and his first disciples lived and preached the New Faith in God YAHWEH . And no one can change God's plan . We superimpose the dates from the time that the only-true religion existed upon our times !

To do so we must know what date to begin with .That date is 1984 AD. Followed by 1914 AD and 1991 AD.

Then we can see the similarities:

29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD

1991 AD - 1988 AD - 1984 AD - 1950 AD - 1914 AD

Only two categories of christian servants are accepted as per Luke 9.49-50;Matthew 24.45-46 and this must be repeated in our times.

Date 1914 AD identifies two religious groups linked together:

The International Bible Students and their successors: Jehovah's Witnesses and one seperate independent servant that fills up God 's plan is linked to the dates: 1950 AD,1984 AD,1988 AD and 1991 AD and he has followers on a loose basis without organization. Only one religious organization is permitted under God's plan.

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From Rutherford -2008 Watchtower ="dont have kid's till after Armagedon!"

by Witness 007 in

yes i thought rutherford's policy on kid's was dead and the society had wised up....until i read the new "witnesses only" watchtower study magazine...compare.. rutherford's last book "children" 1942 = p.281 "wait until after armagedon to bring children into the world...it is only afew years before the other sheep are gathered to the lord, until armagedon...those with infants during armagedon will have greater woe...it would be a far greater difficulty to care for them during the tribulation.".

watchtower 2008 april 15 p.19 {picture of a middle aged couple witnessing with question: why do some christian couples decide not to have children?

} paragraph 12 "single or childless for a noble purpose.....numerous couples have decided to remain childless....they often do so to remain freer to serve jehovah...they are willing to place kingdom interests above some of the privileges that go with marriage...jehovah will not forget their work, and the love they show for his name...there will be a great tribulation...doubtless, it will be a difficult time for all of us-adults and children alike.".

OBVES

I am saying the end will not come this year ,next year or 2010 AD but it may come in 2011 AD. So take it as a 50:50 proposition . And go the store when you can see people lining up with joy - how great joy and enthusiasm ! - hoping to buy a lottery ticket and hit a jackpot. Chances may be 1: 50 000 000 and yet all may be dreaming they may win. So now how enthusiastic should be a person that belives the end may come and chances are 1:2 ? Of course since it is 1:2 you should rather keep your house and car . But suppose you overreacted and have found a good reason to give up possesions will it be a tragedy if the end comes ?

Hey ! Have you seen on TV how Latinos in hordes are crossing the borders Mexico and USA and they are alomost with bare hands and next week they stand on feet in the USA they started from zero and and stay illegally and they get rich very quick : they send money , have houses and cars !

So you being an American citizen should you complain you lost everything and the end of the world has not arrived and what a tragedy it will be ! Ask Latinos !

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From Rutherford -2008 Watchtower ="dont have kid's till after Armagedon!"

by Witness 007 in

yes i thought rutherford's policy on kid's was dead and the society had wised up....until i read the new "witnesses only" watchtower study magazine...compare.. rutherford's last book "children" 1942 = p.281 "wait until after armagedon to bring children into the world...it is only afew years before the other sheep are gathered to the lord, until armagedon...those with infants during armagedon will have greater woe...it would be a far greater difficulty to care for them during the tribulation.".

watchtower 2008 april 15 p.19 {picture of a middle aged couple witnessing with question: why do some christian couples decide not to have children?

} paragraph 12 "single or childless for a noble purpose.....numerous couples have decided to remain childless....they often do so to remain freer to serve jehovah...they are willing to place kingdom interests above some of the privileges that go with marriage...jehovah will not forget their work, and the love they show for his name...there will be a great tribulation...doubtless, it will be a difficult time for all of us-adults and children alike.".

OBVES

If you read my posts I am predicting the year 2011 AD as the most-likely date of the end of the world .I am not a member of the Jehovah Witness organization you may think of as I am an independent servant of Christ with new views - much different than that of Jehovah's Witnesses .Yet I am taking sides with Jehovah's Witnesses seeing them as the best christian organization on the face of the earth.

We have some 4 years left then and should any truly believing christian abstain from having babies ? Being in marriage how many people today postopone having children ! Be in a real world it is easy to live without children and enjoy sex . I myslelf would notb see any problem if I had a wife and delayed having a baby ! How many people are having sex wanting at any price not a have a baby ! They use condoms and there are other means to prevent unwanted pregnancy. And it is not because of the imminent end of the world ! People are doing that for other reasons and it is OK ! But now when somebody who belives the end may come soon and decides to spend more time of for God by abstaining from having babies it is not OK but it is wrong !

There are priests who are celibate and are doing it not because the end of the world is imminent but because of another reason.

But those folks have sex and how it is convenient for them by not having the babies .If I were married I could go on like that for years without having a single baby.

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Metatron is a Prophet! (and more accurate than OBVES :)

by tooktheredpill in

hello guys!.

i was checking some old threads, and i found this one: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/97211/1666106/post.ashx#1666106.

it is from august 2005.. check it out, and let me know if you can notice metatron's observations now in 2008!!!:.

OBVES

You have to find out who are the remnants of 144000 among Jehovah's Witnesses . It is they that should feed their flock as per Matthew 24.45. How the Governing Body stacks against this remnant . If some of 144000 are in that body any regular member of the organization this remnant has must be totally subdued to their teachings.

The basis of the existence of this type of organization is the unity. There are many enemies around that want to squash the organization. And the unity must be uphold at any price in such difficult situation.

Go to the history book and read how the Bolshevik revolution took place and what happened then to keep the Red Russia afloat.

The Watchtower is not killing any one for trying to leave the organization. Check the history books what was happening to those who did not agree with Roman Catholic church few centuries ago . You might have been burned at stake for disagreeing.

If you don't like the organization you can leave it . But for the organization to be strong and unified all existing members should be obedient what the remnant is teaching them to do.

Note that before the end of the world takes place the words Matthew 24.45 must be fulfilled. So ,you have to put another small group that has its flock and fits the timeline of the end-times ! If you are not one of 144000 menservants to be a true christian accepted by God you have to listen to someone of those 144000. You cannot be a lonely christian without listening to anyone that belongs to the class of 144000 in our times.

Jehovah's Witnesses can identify themselves where do they stand in the end-times:

They have a small group of servants calling themselves the remnant of 144000 and they are their flock . But in your case where are you ? Where do you fit in Matthew 24.45 ?

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Will the Bible be discarded after Armagedon?

by annalice in

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so lets say the "end " has come and gone .

cut to the "new system" what will we have to read?

what use is the bible anymore?

OBVES

I don't use my personal Bible I have compiled . I am using mostly King James Bible which is the Bible of the Protestants whose religion I am rejecting using their Bible . I can use Vulgate which is for Roman Catholics and yet I can refute catholic views using the Vulgate.

So , I can say any Bible to me is the same . I have a paraphrized Bible which some may say is the most twisted translation and yet I can use it to prove my views .

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Will the Bible be discarded after Armagedon?

by annalice in

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so lets say the "end " has come and gone .

cut to the "new system" what will we have to read?

what use is the bible anymore?

OBVES

I have a beautiful response to that question I asked ! We have the Bible - we can say : we have all the same Bible .So why can't we find one common understanding of the Bible ? Why are there so many christian groups that can't find a one common language of understadning the Bible ?

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Will the Bible be discarded after Armagedon?

by annalice in

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so lets say the "end " has come and gone .

cut to the "new system" what will we have to read?

what use is the bible anymore?

OBVES

We must see God Yahweh and the Bible using our common sense when we study the Bible. To be happy we don't need God destroy the heavens and earth the saved people don't need ungodly people around . So the life in the Paradise will be an extension of the present life but in much better conditions.

The Bible will be studied for many generations to come after the end of the world . Simply it depends on how we understand God's plan of salvation.

I wrote posts on the topic of resurrection and chronology in the end-times.

What I am expecting from God Yahweh in the Paradise ?

Since I am His servant unmarried God assures me in Psalm 128 I will have a wife and children .I don't have now and I am waiting for the Paradise and the words in Psalm 128 God will fulfill for sure !

I would like to have good dreams which I enjoy greatly now . I would like to learn all languages of the world and sing all songs man created and play all musical instruments one by one . When learn one language by learning others I will forget the language and I will learn it again ,say , 1 000 000 years later . I want to play all forms of sports one at a time. This will take million years to do !

Then I would like to see every place on this planet and live there for some time ,say 1 000 years ,and move to another place.

I would like to read all the books man has ever produced ! I have a very good collections of books at home for years and till now-may be- I have not read one completely page by page !

I would like to know the whole history of mankind in vision or movies or dreams and the lives of all the people who have ever lived on the face of the earth !For that I would need billions upon billions of years of life . That is why only God Yahweh can do it for me through my faith in His Son Yahshua the Messiah by giving me life everlasting.

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Is it "Healthy" for every JW to think alike like they do....

by JH in

i like variety and different opinions and i don't see that in the jw's...... what can this lead to?.

OBVES

Just imagine Jehovah's Witnesses have furious enemies everywhere around ! How their organization could survive ? If you want to know what the unity means read the history books . You may find you didn't understand how important the unity is !

Once the unity is broken you are wide open to see all religions on same level and any opinion any man can have you wil have to recognize as legitimate. It will be a total chaos.