Posts by OBVES

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when is armagaedon coming

by bimfy in

our great teacher, please tell me when the end is coming.

i have been waiting to tell everyone the great news, that i will live in paradise, and they will simply die, and that includes there kids.. i love all jws.

They were the best at their time and we can only take into account the predictions or expectations given by the International Bible Students or Jehovah's Witnesses as these groups were in the line of the true end-time christianity.All other predictions made outside the setting as per Luke 9 .49-50 (one small group of united servants and one independent servant ) can be disregarded.

The fact the Watchtower wrote so much about the expectations of the imminent Armageddon is to their advantage and serves as a proof those folks were on the right track in their faith.They were ready for the end of the world like no other christian denomination. Their end-time expectations sustained them in their faith and hope .

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when is armagaedon coming

by bimfy in

our great teacher, please tell me when the end is coming.

i have been waiting to tell everyone the great news, that i will live in paradise, and they will simply die, and that includes there kids.. i love all jws.

OBVES

If you are interested in the predictions of the end of the world you will face numerous predictions and may feel at loss which prediction to accept and what to make out of these predictions .

The first thing you should do is to set up an order in religions as they already present the big mess that causes confusion.

I came up with a unique way that allows to sift through this mess and create an order that seems to be in agreement with God's plan of salvation. I came up with the timeframe for our times that is a copy of the timeframe when Jesus and his first followers lived and preached the true christianity.

8 BC - 7 BC - 3 BC-2 BC - 150 AD = 157 years

1878 AD + 157 years = 2035 AD

8 BC = 1878 AD 7 BC = 1879 AD 3 BC = 1883 AD 2 BC = 1884 AD 29 AD = 1914 AD . We can know that the revival of the true christian religion that disappeared in 150 AD had to take place in the first stage of the end-time era.

29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 106 AD is reflected in 1914 AD -1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD We have two periods : 7 years and 70 years repeated.

The best predictions of the end of the world fall on times when the year 1991 AD was going to come.

We can put aside all previous predictions and now concentrate on the predictions which the year 1991 AD started.

If could learn what predictions I have put forth counting from the year 1991 AD as the first best prediction I had : 1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD,2005 AD and now the next best prediction is for the year 2011 AD.

God Yahweh knows what Bible we have to study and to what dates we His true worshippers may come to by studying His Word and this line of dates could be established : 1991 AD,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD,2005 AD,2011 AD,2012 AD,2017 AD,2018 AD ... 2034 AD .

And it will be up to God Yahweh Himself which date He will finally choose to end the evil world order.

So ,when the year 1991 AD came we could expect the end of the world . Then in the year 1994 AD again we had a good reason to expect the end of the world again as that year was on God's list of dates to choose from.

If I made the predictions for 1991 AD,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD and 2005 AD and these dates reflected the same dates God Yahweh had on His list that would mean God Yahweh called me to proclaim His name and forewarn nations of the coming end of the world.

To challenge my status of God's end-time messenger you would have to provide a proof by showing me another preacher of the true christian religion who came up with the same dates God Yahweh has on His list and I believe those dates would have to be the same as I came to .

The most serious challenge I have found is presented by Harold Camping of the Family Radio Stations,Inc as he predicted the year 1994 AD and now has the date 2011 AD as the year of the end of the world. Then comes Ronald Weinland with his very interesting predictions for the near future.

If God Yahweh had this line of dates as I have come to to predict the end of the world it would be a sign God Yahweh is on my side and approves of my belief .
I can write down 12 dates from the calendar year 2009 AD and you will not be able most likely to guess even one of them ,not to speak about guessing all 12 dates exactly as I have ! Chances are nil for you to pick up exactly 12 dates if you have 12 dates to choose.

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The Scarlet Colored Wild Beast and Gorbachev

by jgnat in

the insanity continues this week, with the study of the revelation book and the continued application of revelation 17 to the "anglo-american power" and the united nations.

we're on chapter 35. i think i've been assigned study duty because these obscure connections fly well over poor hubby's head.

what twigged my interest this week is reference to a "prominent leader of the former soviet union" who "joined the popes in rome" in expressing support for the un.

OBVES

All preceding signs that are given in the Bible must occur ! The end of the world will not take place before the end-time signs happen. And the signs were given in the Bible for true christians to enable them to identify the end-times came and they should expect the return of the Messiah.

If we have the red beast that precedes the end of the world it must happen first . If not , the next stages of the end -time cannot take place !

Did you hear some people claiming Christ may return any hour even at this present hour ? It is not correct ! Those people would have to identify all preceding signs that they took already place . If not how can they claim Christ may come any hour or even at this present hour ?

Now, those who have true christian religion are supposed or expected tom understand what is the red beast . And at issue is who is the best in the identifying that red beast.

I am using a solid timeframe to identify that red beast and its history dates back to the year 1914 AD when the world war I broke and paved the way for the appearance of the Red Russia when Bolshevik Revolution took place. Satan in the final days wanted to thwart God's plan for God's Kingdom using his last chance to do so by setting up the ungodly state that wanted to establish the human Paradise on Earth . The world was to be of a just world without wars ,exploatation , social justice and eternal peace etc ! This was to mimic God's Kingdom but that was to be done without God ! And in the year 1991 AD God put the end to that human plan. No man without God Yahweh can built a just world . The year 1991 AD is a proof that the best human efforts will fail.

Since it was to be the last human social system and failed we know the only hope is in God Yahweh for better future for all good people.

Only under God's Guidance and with His government set up : Jesus Christ and his 144000 disciples the world will emabark on the most noble task of building the happy life for anyone saved !

In 2011 AD God Yahweh should put the end to all people who oppose God's plan of Salvation as given in the Bible .

Christ and his 144000 servants are those who lead the nations to God Yahweh.At present we have the remnant of those 144000 class.Some of them at least will stay alive when Jesus returns .The present world order is doomed to destruction in the near future.

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The Scarlet Colored Wild Beast and Gorbachev

by jgnat in

the insanity continues this week, with the study of the revelation book and the continued application of revelation 17 to the "anglo-american power" and the united nations.

we're on chapter 35. i think i've been assigned study duty because these obscure connections fly well over poor hubby's head.

what twigged my interest this week is reference to a "prominent leader of the former soviet union" who "joined the popes in rome" in expressing support for the un.

OBVES

Do you like geography ? Take a look at our earth globe from 1980s. When you look down to the earth from North Pole facing the Soviet Union below and the United States above you can see a shape of the USSR resembling a running leopard from the East Sea towards Europe - its head is in the western part of the Soviet Union.

What John the Apostle saw in his vision and only from God Yahweh such vision could come was the end-time political map that will duplicate the ancient times of great powers hostile to God .

The Soviet Union of the period 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1999 AD which is the period of the great spiritual tribulation had 7 republics in the western part and they were the heads of the red beast: Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania, Russia, Belorusia ,Ukraine , Moldavia. The 8th head of the beast was one of the seven heads and that was the Russian Republic as it had small part in the west as the Kalinningrad Region.

And since all the heads are identified it is revealing that at the period 1984 AD - 1991 AD which is a core of the end-time era the leader of the Red Beast - the Soviet Union was Michail Gorbaczew who had a red stain on his forehead ! This was a unique event that underscored the fact the Soviet Union was the manifestation of the red beast of the Apocalypse.The enmity directed towards God of the Bible is that Red beast and all who oppose the end-time servants of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ bear the mark of the red beast. For that to happen there had to be the true christian religion revived and taught to the world.

We must identify 10 external expressions of 10 horns of the red beast . If the beast was accurately identified there must have been the 10 horns of the beast and we look for them on both sides of the red beast running.The two sides with horns . And it was in 1984 AD-1991 AD. 6 horns were: Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia , Rumania, Hungary,Bulgaria and 4 horns in East Asia: North Korea, Mongolia,People's Republic of China, Vietnam. All countries had the same social systems like the Soviet Union and were all linked geographically.

All in all we have a wonderful proof we came to the end- time era as the Bible predicted. Go to my posts and see why I am writing about the period : 1984 AD - 1991 AD.

Why Albania is omitted ? Because Yugoslavia with his unique form of capitalism seperated Albania from the cluster of the communist states in the Eastern Europe.That is why we can speak about 6 horns of the red beast in Europe.And we had exactly 4 communist states in Asia who were joined geographically to the Soviet Union. Under such extremely complicated circumstances the prophecy of the Bible was fulfilled !It will never be repeated in mankind's history throughout the eternity. That is why we have a solid foundation to believe the end of the world should occur within a few years .The last human social system built with human hands without God Yahweh ended horribly in 1991 AD - which was like the year of the end of the world in some sense. The last human system that was a result of all previous social systems collapsed badly in 1991 AD. And it seems we have a 20-year delay in the final destruction of the enemies of God Yahweh as pattrned by the dates: 607 BC and 587 BC - a 20-year delay. 1991 AD + 20 years = 2011 AD.

Only God Yahweh can build a just system: free of wars with eternal peace , where all living will be truly happy.

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Proof that WT literature is not needed...

by The Last Nephilim in

i have recently come to fully appreciate what is stated at 2timothy 3:16, 17 (nwt).

it clearly declares that nothing is needed outside of the bible in order for a person be be "fully competent" and "completely equipped" for "every good work".

how can anyone, especially the wts, claim that the bible alone is not enough after reading these scriptures?

OBVES

It come to its full fruition in the Paradise when Jesus and his 144000 menservants will constitute one world government.

The whole Israel consists of : Jesus Christ + 144000 servants + other saved christians from many nations of the world and it must be called the spiritual Israel.They all will rule over other nations who accepted Christ as Savior .

The spiritual Israel:

Jesus Christ - the head of the government , 144000 like the ministers of the government, the other christians as workers in the ministries for the ministers .

All other nations : subject to the rule of the above.

This order will be everlasting .

This is reflected in the resurrected bodies they all will have . I wrote on the resurrection body the way I understand it.

Jesus Christ as God + 144000 gods will have non-aging bodies ;never subeject to death .

All other christians the same perfect bodies but subject to death in case of disobedience to God.

All other saved - from other nations will have physical bodies that will be subject to renewals .Something of a kind what the scientists say about such a possibility .When manipulating with human genes they can extend life indefinitely by renewing the bodies.They too will be subject to death in case of disobedience to God.

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Watchtower Bible & Tract Society a False Prophet?

by sacolton in

" (watchtower, may 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 reprints) .

" (the new creation, studies in the scriptures, vol.

" (the time is at hand; 1889; 1908 ed.

OBVES

If you learn my views very well I differ a lot in what teach as compared to what the Watchtower is teaching . I cannot belong to the Watchtower and yet I am defending the Watchtower ! This is already requires a special consideration why it is so ?

Note in Luke 9.49-50 Jesus is giving testimony that besides his small group of disciples that were with him one independent disciple is allowed by God . That allows for some indpendent christian belivers who must be a perfect addition to what this small group of servants is preaching. That one independent disciple can have indpendent followers who agree with that servant on a loose basis . There cannot be two christian organizations competing with one another.

If I were convinced my views are not a good replacement to what that small united group of servants preaches I could not be that legitimate independent servant that is spoken in Luke 9.49-50. Someone else would have to been if we were in the end-times.

The end of the world cannot happen unless Luke 9.49-50 is fully realized .That is why Satan will use all possible means to discredit Luke 9.49-50 in the eyes of people using infidels, atheists and false christian preachers.

The false prophets are not determined by the failed predictions of the end of the world ! Common sense dictates that it would be unwise to wait the prediction out and see what happens and then make a decision . A decision of what and when ? When it will be too late if the prediction comes true !

Who are false prophets in the end-time era I have established in my calculations based on the Bible ?

The period is : 1914 AD - 1920 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 2005 AD - 2011 AD

6 " John Paul II " 6 Pope John Paul II - through whom the spirit of the Antichrist was manifested and his time was 1920 AD - 2005 AD

66 is the number that stands for the Books of the Bible and we have 6 on both sides as you can see.

The spirit of the antichrist was is fully manifested by 7 popes ( " 7 spirits " ) in the period 1914 AD - 2005 AD.And the present pope should be the last one- the 8th one .

Popes and priests and all clergy people,pastors who oppose the teachings of the remnant of the class of 144000 men are the whole body of the manifestation of antichrist and false prophets in the end-times we live in .They misled and are misleading many.

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Watchtower Bible & Tract Society a False Prophet?

by sacolton in

" (watchtower, may 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 reprints) .

" (the new creation, studies in the scriptures, vol.

" (the time is at hand; 1889; 1908 ed.

OBVES

The fact the Watchtower adapts its views to the new light it gets already speaks much about the fact it can be a false prophet today as it corrects itself from the past mistakes or misunderstandings . Mankind learnt a good lesson from the doctrine of infallable popes !

Once the Bible was completed some 1900 years ago ( all books of the future book called the Bible were in circulation ) God Yahweh ceased giving His further inspired revelations and miracles God used to confirm His messages ended as well.

From that time on not a single message was given directly by God of the Bible. The Bible we have today is a complete book and nothing can be added to it. While we study the Bible it remains all the time the same before us while our understanding of that Bible can change and grow and we must adjust our doctrines to the new light we get from the Bible . So we can make changes in what we believe and stay on the right course with God Yahweh.

The Watchtower is an example how we should adjust our views to the new understanding we get from the Bible with passing time.

The factors that determine who is a true or false prophet are determined by the Bible and those whom God chose to be His servants.And His servants are Christ and his 144000 disciples . They determine who is a false prophet ? Not the Time magazine ,nor any pope or a protestant preacher ! They would have to a perfect replacement to the teachings of the Watchtower and none of the mentioned is !

The verses from Deutoronomy about false prophets are commonly misused by those who don't understand the Bible properly.

Read Matthew 24.11: many prophets shall arise and will deceive many .

How come false prophets will arise if the christianity was in existence since Christ ? That implies that the time will come when the true christian will be revived and then its enemies will appear .

We have to have to identify the time when that true christianity that was absent came back on the world scene.

We apply time pattern taken from the time when Christ and his first followers lived and taught the true religion and superimpose the dates upon our times if we find a way to recognize our times are the end-times.Otherwise we cannot even prove the Bible is for our times !

If I want I can stick to the Bible and prove it was only for the people living up to the year 106 AD . Those days when the true christiann fauth existed God was in direct contact with His people by giving them messages and miracles .And today not a single christian living on the face of this earth can miraculously restore life to one dead person ! You will not tell me a single long logical sentence in my native language - which is Polish language - by inspiration without prior learning the language ! How great faith you have you will not give live hands to a person that doesn' t have them ! All that ended centuries ago ! So why these things don't happen any more ?

So we must find some peculiar specific way to prove that the true christianity does exists today in the time when no messages from God Yahweh ended and miracles are no more ! How to prove that ? That is why I used one peculiar distinctive method to prove God Yahweh exists , is alive and works His plans through His servants who are also living today and Luke 9.49-50 is a testimony of Jesus that points to the fact there is one small group of servants united and one independent servant that closes the list of 144000 chosen few by God Yahweh.

We must indentify them and by doing so we identify who has the true christian religion and that we must ,then, be in the end - times !

Read my posts to find out who are these people and that we must have the remnant of them in our times.

Note the false prophets will mislead many according to Matthew 24.11 ! They cannot be in the tiny Watchtower ! They must be in the main stream religions that oppose the views of the remnant of the class of 144000 ! They must be religious leaders who divert attention of their followers from the what the true servants of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ are teaching !

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Proof that WT literature is not needed...

by The Last Nephilim in

i have recently come to fully appreciate what is stated at 2timothy 3:16, 17 (nwt).

it clearly declares that nothing is needed outside of the bible in order for a person be be "fully competent" and "completely equipped" for "every good work".

how can anyone, especially the wts, claim that the bible alone is not enough after reading these scriptures?

OBVES

Anyone saw Barbara Walters' primetime program yesterday on ABC ? How it will be possible for doctors to exend human life for hundreds of years ! Already the Watchtower in its publications years ago quoted the scienitific statements of what will be possible in the future !

You can purchase a dvd from ABCNewsstore with the program .

Now a question is : is God Yahweh going to allow man to manipulate genes on his own to extend life indefinitely ?
If you read my posts I am predicting the year 2011 as the year of the end of the present world order.This would be in line with that only God Yahweh can give a man a life everlasting .

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The New Order

by WTWizard in

there is so much talk among the witlesses about the "new" order.

they can't wait until it comes up, and they talk about how much they need it.

they think it is going to come about via god's eliminating wickedness, and that they will be happy there.. however, that is all a blatant lie.

OBVES

It will be a new order of things that God Yahweh will bring with His power ! It is not the order some people can imagine, not realizing how Powerful God Yahweh is and how faithful is He to His promises.His Words are to be trusted completely.

Using my common sense the new order already can be established when God Yahweh removes evil doers from the face of the earth by destroying them . The rest will be taken care of in due time.

Your concern readers should be if you make it to the time when the Paradise is established on our earth.Also whatever life may come may it come but with its eternity.I want to live forever ;even if the life is to go much the same way as it is now .

If so ,it really should not be a big problem with establishing a new order of things with God Yahweh on the side of the His true worshippers.And the Good News is this new world order may come very soon if you know my posts .

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Absurdity in the Bible

by darth frosty in

jw
friends

not to diss anyones beliefs, i thought this was humorous.. .

absurdity in the bible .

if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.--1 cor.14:38 .

OBVES

I have just posted the information on this thread what is the age of the universe according to the Bible .

It is more than 15 billion years ! The scientists would agree with that age .