Posts by OBVES

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Expect big things to happen tomorrow

by startingover in

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friends

that's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.

that because it's.

national day of prayer!.

OBVES

There is no specific day for this type of prayer : it is spiritual one and goes on everyday in a life of any true christian . When we live according to the Bible we live according to the words of Matthew 6.9-18. We fulfill these words everyday and this way we come under the words of this passage. The words are ascribed to our lives and this kind of prayer God Yahweh accepts and such prayer birings salvation !

Saying that May 1st is a national day of prayer is contrary to the spirit of the Bible and false religions practice such day of prayer.

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There is so much evidence around us to prove an Intelligent creator.

by nicolaou in

that's an 'ever so slightly' adapted quote from tophat on another thread; http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/108341/2880755/post.ashx#2880755.

i've been really dismissive of god/s, religion, faith and the abandoning of reason but when it comes to the 'argument from design', well you just have to give it a bit more .

respect?

OBVES

The first step is to recognize that there must be one sacred book God accepts and we must decide using common sense with God's guidance which one it is . The Bible is decisively superior to all other sacred books ! What we learn from the Bible today is a proof.

The way the Bible was written and how it came into existence is so unique that the Bible must be from God.The propehcies and predictons of the end make the Bible a special distinctive book.

If so we can be assured that in the Bible we will find the right answers to the most important questions about who is God , how the world was created etc.

Who is God of the Bible according to the Bible ? The infinite being that had no beginning and has no end in time and space ! So God of the Bible is always invisible and we can know He does exist by the manifestations ( signs ) He was giving and gives.

If God has no end and is eternal we can assume matter the universe is composed can be also eternal and the universe is has no end in space. So this universe we see is the only one universe. Using special methods of calculations based on the understanding of the Bible I came with the conclusion that the universe we see has more than 15 billion years .Scientists can say almost the same.

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Jw upbringing and retarded social growth.

by AK - Jeff in

i was raised a jw, by an inactive jw mom.

looking back, and reflection on my childhood, causes me to wonder.. i honestly did not miss the holidays, for example.

i never had them, so nothing was taken away in that regard.

OBVES

I usually ride on bike and had problems with kids on the road and have a good reason to speak in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses and their kids.

Suppose I am facing this choice when returning home on bike . There is one street where kids of Jehovah's Witnesses are standing and there is another one where kids from all nominal christian religions are standing. Which way would I choose ? Without any hesitation I would choose the former !

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Dispelling Myths: 1914 Expectations

by AuldSoul in

jehovah's witnesses currently teach that prior to 1914 no one could have predicted what happened in europe in 1914. they teach that the world was heading toward such idyllic stability that the events of 1914 caught everyone off-guard.

so surprised were the people of the time that they looked back with fondness at the calm preceding 1914 as a time that could never be gone back to.. what were the bible students teaching about 1914 prior to that year?

in what capacity did they claim to be teaching?.

OBVES

So many are diluted into bad thinking about the end-time predictions that they don't realize or don't know how advanced the understanding of the Bible is in our days. The simple formula is that with passing time the understanding of the Bible should increase the same way as with the increasing human technological progress. Up to the recent ages the mankind was almost in stagnantion as to the technicall progress . The same could have happened with the knowledge of the religions. Since the Bible is decidely a distinct sacred book we who want to know the True God should search this book deeply.

Since the Bible was completed God Yahweh ceased giving His direct revelations ; so not a single new book could have been added for so many centuries until the present day. The mircales God was giving to confirm His messages had to cease as well . So we were left with the what is written in the Bible and we must study the Bible. What the Watchtower taught back in the XIX century was good for that time but with the elapse of time new and new understandings came into light and they could replace the older ones.

No single preacher of the Bible is infallable !This is a fundamental principle . If you read the Bible by yourself the chances 100% you will not understand the Bible wholly at once .It can take years for you to understand some passages of the Bible .It may happen you will not understand many things in the Bible at all . The mankind for centuries did not understand some important issues of the Bible.

We should look now at how the Bible is understood in our present time ,not by going to the days when the true christianity was just reborn again . It was like a birth of a child and the first stages of the development were initial . For the end of the world to take place 120 years had to have passed since when ? Now it appears that the earliest date for the rebirth of the lost christian religion was the year 1879 AD !

Can you imagine all the predictions the Jehovah's Witnesses had ever made up to the year 1998 AD were wrong ?! This one new understanding refutes all predictions ever made by man.

Had I realized that I would have not predicted the year 1991 AD and 1994 AD.Yet at the time preceding each date given I had very good reasons to predict the end of the world ! At those days preceding each prediction I was convinced I was right and the predictions were good for that time.

The same can be behind the prediction for 1914 AD .The date was good at that time at that level of understanding the true servants of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ had. But now since we are living in the time when we have a period of 120 years behind and 2000 years since Christ had also passed we can be much more sure that the next predictions will be better. The great importance of the year 1914 AD was and is still now though we have a better view of that importance with the new light on the end-times.

The dates 1879 AD and 1914 AD are inseperably linked to the International Bible Students . It already puts them ahead of all other christian religions that existed then. The date 1914 AD cannot be simply ignored and put aside.

The year 1914 AD is in the end-timeline which I had already presented on many occasions on the internet.Check my posts on this forum and you can get an idea how to look at the year 1914 AD in the light of the end-time prophecies.

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Jw upbringing and retarded social growth.

by AK - Jeff in

i was raised a jw, by an inactive jw mom.

looking back, and reflection on my childhood, causes me to wonder.. i honestly did not miss the holidays, for example.

i never had them, so nothing was taken away in that regard.

OBVES

For years I used to be a catholic and now looking back at my life at how I was living a life like most regular kids live I see I have wasted all these years ! The best way of life for kids is to be close to God of the Bible combined with the reasonable understanding of the Bible.

I would be rather retarded as a Jehovah's Witness child than to grow like many kids do - the wordly way and be lost in the final account when the time comes to give an account of our lives.

If you know my posts very well I am not from the Jehovah Witness Orgnization and yet I am defending them and if I were to choose from two kids : one not from Jehovah Witness organization and the other regular wordly child I would choose the first one without a shadow of a doubt .

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Is this present new millennium judgement day?

by the sage in

have we entered the seventh millennium?.

are we now living in the time of christ's promised second coming?

have we entered the one thousand year period of his rule as the prince of peace, the conclusion to god's seven thousand year rest day?.

OBVES

There are various chronologies man came up . The chronologies set by those servants God Yahweh accepts in His plan of salvation are those that we should consider.

I was able to confirm numerous dates the Watchower came out with in their publication "Babylon the Great Has Fallen ". Since Jehovah's Witnesses seem to fit the end timeline very well to call them as the true christian organization we can rest assured the dates they have are acceptable to a high degree.

1037 BC - 1034 AD - 607 BC - 537 BC - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1994 AD = 3030 years .It implies one symbolic day must have 1010 years.

4027 BC + 7 days which is 7070 years = 3044 AD

The last day is the 7th day of 1010 years . 3044 AD - 10 years = 3034 AD - 1000 years = 2034 AD

2034 AD + 1000 years = 3034 AD

4010 BC-3010 BC-2010 BC - 1010 BC - 10 BC - 991 AD -1991 AD = 6000 years = 6 days each 1000 years.

10 BC - 11 AD ( 20 years ) + 2000 years = 2011 AD 10 BC + 2 days as 2 x 1010 years = 2011 AD

10 BC + 2000 years = 1991 AD + 20 years = 2011 AD

4027 BC -Adam created 4010 BC -Adam sinned 4027 BC - 4010 BC = 17 years 1991 AD - 2011 AD = 20 years

The age of Christ : 2 BC (fall) - 33 AD (spring ) = 33.5 years

The age of Adam + the age of Eve when they sinned in 4010 BC 17 years + 16.5 years = 33.5 years

2011 AD - 2034 AD = 23 years 17+20+23 = 60 years 3034 AD - 3044 AD = 10 years 60 years + 10 years = 70 years Our final timeline is: 1878 AD - 1879 AD - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD - 2034 AD 2011 AD - 2012 AD - Belongs to Christ - God's Word and one year is ascribed to him. God's Kingdom will be established and the period of 22 years will follow . There were 22 letters in the Old Hebrew . These 22 represented God's Word .God's Word will be proclaimed to nations in the Paradise in the period : 2011 AD -Christ as God's Word - 2012 AD - the Bible as God's Word - 2034 AD.

1878 AD - Christ as God's Word - the beginning - 1879 AD + 66 years for 66 books in the Bible as God's Word - the beginning and then we have 1945 AD + 66 years for the Bible as the end = 2011 AD + one year for Christ as he is also the end - 2012 AD.

The Bible is the beginning and the end .Christ is the beginning and the end.

1878 AD - 1879 AD - 1945 AD - the beginning phase ; 1945 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD = the end phase

2011 AD - Christ as God's Word - the beginning of the Paradise-2012 AD and 2012 AD - 2034 AD - God's Word again as the beginning of the Paradise ; 22- letter Hebrew = 22 years .There is no end to the Paradise !

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Sex in the new order?

by keyser soze in

often times, at work, my mind will wander.

just the other day, out of the blue, i began to recall a trip my family took down south, to visit my mom's relatives.

i don't remember what instigated it, but my aunt, my dad, and my oldest brother got into a spirited debate about whether or not people would still have sex in the new order.. my dad, after rather awkwardly pointing out how much he enjoyed sex, said he didn't think it would be done away with completely, at least he hoped not.

OBVES

Just as many have a distorted view on hell the same is with the sex . We don't look far back how people understood this issue of sex . People should look for the latest views on sex based on the Bible as we are living in the final years of the present world order and God Yahweh had reserved the best understanding of the Bible for the final years. Daniel 12.4 is happening before our eyes and this alone should give us a good reason to expect the end of the world very soon.

Matthew 22.30 is completely misunderstood by many and even the Watchtower was not excluded ! It was evidently not yet the right time to understand the issue of sex in the Paradise.

If you study the Bible carefully and realize fully what is sex then after God Yahweh it must be the next important need of man in life !

Jesus was teaching many things in parables , paraphrizes - Matthew 13.11,34-35. The Matthew 22.30 is like a parable ! The heavenly story told in the earthly story.

He was speaking about the spiritual marriage ! He as a bridegroom and his bride - his 144000 servants who are " men" as God's sons and " women " as they are a collective bride to Christ. Each one from this collective bride must be a woman then.

144000 are " men " and " women" at the same time spiritually speaking.

They are already given in marriage to Christ and they are the sons of the resurrection if any one of them died and rose again.

They will not need to be given in marriage to Christ again as they were already given before : they believed in Christ marrying him this way.

So those from 144000 servants who will be raised will not marry to Christ again as they had done so in this life.

They are called " men" and " women" depending how we look at that spiritrual class as explained above.

This has nothing to do with their sexual lives in the Paradise as the topic is the spiritual marriage .

We study the Bible and interpret it using the Bible . Isaiah 28.9-10.
Psalm 128 shows that every God-fearing servant will have a wife . There may be some servants who are celibate till they die and the promise made by God will be fulfilled for sure .

Sexual life will always be and all saved will enjoy sex .

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There is so much evidence around us to prove an Intelligent creator.

by nicolaou in

that's an 'ever so slightly' adapted quote from tophat on another thread; http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/108341/2880755/post.ashx#2880755.

i've been really dismissive of god/s, religion, faith and the abandoning of reason but when it comes to the 'argument from design', well you just have to give it a bit more .

respect?

OBVES

We can prove it using the Bible ! The way it was written and what information we get from the Bible if we understand it properly .

There many witnesses in the past who saw God's manifestations He exist and we must rely on their testimony.If we don't rely on the testimony of others we can deny the reality around us and the whole history of mankind . You will not prove me anything if I choose so .

How manifestations can serve as a proof of God's exiastence ? Why manifestations ? Because the Bible states God Yahweh is always invisible . Only such creator could create the endless universe we live.If we assume any other form of God he would not create the universe .

If so, we live in the universe that even the science cannot prove its existence and we must believe in the existence of the universe !

How can universe be endless , has no end ? And we know that it was created . When ? From what ? What was before in the same place before the universe we see was created? How come helium and nitrogen gave the universe its beginning ? ! Where does helium and nitrogen come from ? So we are living in the world that has no end whatever direction we look and look for the end ? It is unimaginable ! How can we live in the universe we cannot prove it has end in space and beginning in time ? That is why the faith is the most basic logical requirement from God Yahweh that makes God's servants the wisest human beings and God Yahweh loves that and accepts such people.

I can give you how manifestations can be as the best proof of God's existence and the science will not prove the truth God Yahweh exists .

I am going to work and in a dream I believe God gave me these things are going to take place while I am riding on bike.

At the first street light I will see a man dressed in white and red with three dogs : one dog white,the second brown and the third black.A branch from a tree will fall on the brown dog . At the second street light I will see an old man whose age will be 87 years and I will ask him about his age and he will tell me he is 87-old . Then I am going to see a postcard with the panoramc view of Philadelphia lying at the street crossing and then one block from the crossing a young woman age 21 will have a green umbrella in her hand and the yellow shopping bag and it in a small black kitten looking out .

If all these events will really take place as I had dreamed about this will be a proof God Yahweh gave me dream and He must exist.

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How "Bible Prophecy" Will Soon Be Disproven!

by metatron in

it's very simple: all this 'prophetic' ( or pathetic) nonsense about "anglo-america" is going to come to an end in a few years.. china has already become the world's biggest exporter:.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/06/0905/art1.html.

in ten years, they will become the largest economy - with the biggest population.

OBVES

It is now the issue how we interpret them . Since the Bible was completed God Yahweh doesn't give any inspired direct messages to anyone . Otherwise we would see the powerful miracles done by great servant of God today ! Not a single true servant of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ gets messages from God and such a servant gets only ideas from studying the Bible and can make mistakes and correct them and we can expect with the passing time the better understanding of the Bible will be available.

You have to reach to those who are God's true servants for the understanding of the Bible prophecies as they are ligitimate interpretors of the Bible and be aware they are not infallable in what they teach. And they can correct their doctrines if convinced so.

A good way of looking at the end-time prophecies is to look for those who seem to be best interpretors of the Bible .We look for those who have the best understanding of the Bible .You will not look for a mechanic to repair your car among the artists .The name used Bible Students is a very good indicator where to look for the true christian religion and the best interpretation of the Bible prophecies.

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700 million babies to be slaughtered

by hamsterbait in

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friends

the world population increases by 70 million each year.. this means that on the day armageddon strikes, at least 700 000 000 babies under the age of 10 wil be slaughtered.. 192 000 of these will be less than 24 hours old, many of them killed with their head barely hanging out of their mothers vagina.. how can the witlesses love a god that would do this - even long for it??.

it strikes me that for the witlesses morality is entirely relative.. i well remember the kingdumb song: "some paint god cruel" (wt does!!!).

hb.

OBVES

Any unbeliever that attacks God of the Bible on the issue of death of children is making himself a fool of himself. Such a person is not changing the fate of the children a bit as he is reconciled himself to the fact he will die sooner or later and children will die also sooner or later regardless of Armaggedon ! All will die sooner or later if God Yahweh doesn't exist ! If you die as a 100-year old or 21 year old in the final account doesn't count and you will know it for sure when death will face you !