They are just trying to distance themselves from Russell, that way if people ever read anything he wrote they can just say it was his own understanding nothing else. Ironically Russell referred to himself as the faithful and discrete slave, the new spin is he was just a bible student. If anyone cares to do some critical research on the history of the watchtower they will find it completely laughable.
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Who was the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses? JW Org states it was not Russell
by ToesUp infound this article in the about page on jw org.
i was a born in and was always taught charles taze russell was the founder.
guess i was wrong!
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Fading: The One Year Mark
by Hadriel inafter fading for roughly a year now there's some good and some bad.
the bad.
it is becoming increasingly difficult to go to meetings.
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"What I did is said well here are 5 things I found to be absolutely factual"...Hadriel
Ok i'll bite what are your fav five?
My Fade has bees successful as well, wife is fully awake and agrees that this is just another religion, not Gods org. She still won't research apostate sites, so I have to cut and paste what I know she will appreciate and send to her, otherwise she is out mentally.
The kids; So I told the kids I had to talk to them as to why dad does not go to the meeting anymore and has had a change of heart about the Truth. I told them that I would explain everything to them on the way to the convention. Had them in the car for 3 yrs, explained as much as I could with out over whelming them. I asked them if they had any questions and they unloaded on me so many question and there own doubts. We had the best family conversation and really bonded like never before. I emphasized the mind control and fear tactics that the will see (videos) and hear at the convention, afterwards they agreed.
So our fade has been successful for the most part but stressful because of family still in, we are at the save them stage from their apostate father, they don't know they just suspect is my guess. I woke up on 2/23/2013 the word is out "a run away slave"
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Well... im disfellowshipped now.
by pale.emperor invery long story.
i've been away from this site for a while.. basically, i tried to leave.
handed in my disassociation letter, it kicked up a storm and 2 weeks later i was disfellowshipped.
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This is terrible....so sorry. This should be a wake up call to all the lurkers reading this. This is not a normal, loving religion...its a dangerous controlling cult.
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Introducing myself
by scratchme1010 ini just joined the forum, i just want to introduce myself.
i tried to change my bio in my profile but for some reason i couldn't apply the update.. i was born and raise in the jw organization.
lived in it for 23 years.
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Another escapee from the asylum....welcome to freedom.
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Don't have sexual fantasies! Today's watchtower...
by purrpurr inthe watchtower today says not to think of sex, or to have sexual fantasies.
i'm just wondering... how many people in the hall hearing this watchtower today would be having sexual fantasies?
sitting there thinking about sister hottie or brother hunky ?.
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I came here three years ago for support and to make friends
by KateWild inthis site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.
when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.
so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.
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DJS
I think that was one of the kindest posts ive read from you in a long time....you do have a heart.
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I came here three years ago for support and to make friends
by KateWild inthis site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.
when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.
so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.
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Hi Kate
Interesting perceptive on internet forums. I guess I never really considered making friends online, considering i'm trying to remain anonymous and all. My main reason for coming here has been for support and helping new one lurking unsure 'what it is they are reading'. There are so many things going through a persons head when they first arrive, they are troubled and confused, depressed and angry. Then they go back to meeting and they are beat up some more...I know because I/we went through it. You feel like you are getting beat up from both sides, until it just clicks. Slowly thing become clearer and you realize you have been a victim of a cult, sometime no fault of our own just unfortunate to be born into it.
ExJW sites are life saving and life changing....I owe a lot to this site especially, since it was the first one I landed on and finally woke. I must say, I don't agree with half the stuff that I read here and I don't feel the need to comment or debate on every subject on this forum. What I do like is the diverse perspective's and ideas that are shared on this site and other like it, by people that sat in a KH and where subjected to the same life choices as me because of there alliance to a mind control cult. We are inescapably connected because of the cards we were dealt. This has become incredibly obvious to me as i read more and more experiences and think to myself........"he lived my life"........"that is me"........"do I know that person?" And sometimes I have thought "I would of liked, to known that person as a friend, we would of got along".
I guess what I'm trying to say is don't feed some much into it, its not healthy. Its just a online forum with different individuals with different life experiences who you will not always agree with. Just like in real life you wouldn't invite everyone you meet to your home?..........its the same here.
Hope the best for you and your journey.
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But where else should we go? Can you answer this question?
by purrpurr inhaving watched many jc youtube videos one question that gets asked is "where else would you go?".
in other words if not jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?.
it's one that i have trouble answering, what would you say?.
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It think that they are basically asking "If this is not the truth, then what is?" "What will I use to fill that place in my thoughts that were occupied by the WTBTS teachings, since i have been taught that every other belief is false"
This is the point..... once you have found that every other belief is false and use that same method on the Watchtower society. Then you are left with only one option. All religion is false.......their is no God.
Therefore where else should we go is a fallacy, cult speak.....MIND CONTROL. Free your mind from this type of thinking its remnants of mind control.
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" you will never grow old..."
by mrquik in" you will never grow old..." a more grievous lie is hard to imagine.
i heard this one first in 1957. i was 6. my mother had just converted.
i heard it many times after that.
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Bigdummy
I feel you, my wife has come around big time but still hold out just in case it is the truth. I have told her you need to do your own research and it will become clear as day. She is hesitate to go on apostate websites.
My sister and her husband were in town for a visit the other day, they are completely in, extreme bunker type.
She said that"a brother is her hall stopped going to the meeting" he was the PO of their hall. I asked her what happened to him? She said "he started looking at apostate sites and left the truth".
Me: I wonder what he read that drastically changed his view of the truth?
Her: It doesn't matter what he seen the counsel is never look at these sites they will instill doubts in you and you will certainly leave, not because of what you read but because you were unloyal to Jehovah.
Me: Or maybe it was just what he read?
She ended the conversation their, she just thinks we are spiritually weak and need encouragement. But doubt is what I served up. Poor sister she has a good heart but so delusional.
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" you will never grow old..."
by mrquik in" you will never grow old..." a more grievous lie is hard to imagine.
i heard this one first in 1957. i was 6. my mother had just converted.
i heard it many times after that.
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Nice Village...did you write this?