LostintheFog1999
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Another American Church in the Spotlight
by LostintheFog1999 inhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/19/international-churches-of-christ-lawsuits-alleged-sexual-abuse?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab .
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Watchtower Doublespeak on Tolerance
by LostintheFog1999 inthis story is about a person who chose modern day paganism over jehovah's witnesses for obvious reasons.. it's the usual watchtower doublespeak at the end of it about what a tolerant religious group they are that annoyed me!.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-02-21/why-are-more-people-choosing-to-follow-paganism.
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LostintheFog1999
This story is about a person who chose modern day paganism over Jehovah's Witnesses for obvious reasons.
It's the usual Watchtower doublespeak at the end of it about what a tolerant religious group they are that annoyed me!
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-02-21/why-are-more-people-choosing-to-follow-paganism
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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany
by EdenOne inmass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
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LostintheFog1999
BBC News - Several killed in shooting in Germany church in Hamburg
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2023-01-27--Civil Unrest!
by Atlantis in2023-01-27--civil unrest.
click image to enlarge.. .
https://postimg.cc/gxqvnfcq.
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LostintheFog1999
"Only certain elderly people get attention. They couldn’t care less if the others drew their next breath."
LONGHAIRGAL oh how right you are. I used to visit an elderly lady in the congregation when I was still in, she'd been in the congregation for around 7 decades, and before going to the nursing home had been very hospitable to others. She rarely got anyone from the hall other than my mother and I, and one other older brother. When she finally died I was asked by her only son to look after the funeral in the crematorium.
I remember being horrified when less than 6 people made up the entire audience. Her son, a former next-door neighbour, her social worker and a carer from the nursing home, me and my mother, and the elder I had picked to close with a prayer.
No doubt the rest were too busy banging on the doors of strangers than being present to honour the life of this dear old sister!
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My fade story - how it all started
by Gorb inin the 90's my fading begun.
it had a great impact on me, and took a lot of energy.
later on it gave me a much better life, also for my wife and children.
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LostintheFog1999
Thanks for your insight Gorb. Myself and my wife were both 3rd generation in. What started our fade? It's a combination of things.
Mostly I think it began with my becoming seriously ill while still serving as an elder and suddenly seeing how quickly things in the cong were rearranged and (because I was suffering with severe clinical depression) how quickly friends distanced themselves from me. I wasn't even copied in to minutes from the elders meetings. Later I learned that it was because a lot of negative comments were being made about me at those meetings.
A short while after my wife needed cancer treatment and again we couldn't get any help from the cong. It had us seriously evaluating "love is the identifying mark" .
As an elder I had served on judicial and appeal committees where accusations of child abuse had been made against certain ones. We saw elders taken off but never disfellowshipped, and the society's "protect the congregation and Jehovah's name at all costs" stance used to irritate me beyond belief. I would come home annoyed and vent to my wife, probably opening her eyes to things she wouldn't normally have been aware of in the organisation.
The new light on the overlapping generations bugged her, she said it was nonsensical. Why can't they just admit that they got things wrong!?
There were lots of things I had always filed away under We'll Wait And See. Michael the Archangel being Jesus? Why?Types and Antitypes nonsense to apply it to a crowd of people in Brooklyn. And a host of other things.
I started looking at "apostate" websites, and it was such a relief to realise that we weren't alone in our doubts. Up to then I had been wary because in the 70s two members of our family had read Crisis in Conscience and had left the Truth to join the Presbyterian church. They were shunned by the family and friends as a result. Ok, I didn't want to be treated as badly as they were. I now have a much better understanding of the struggle they must have faced and wish I could reach out to them (they both died a few years ago).
No longer serving as an elder following a second serious personal illness, it became very easy to slide gently into obscurity. We're out for several years now, fully active (as much as health let's us) in local community advocacy groups promoting the best for our local community.
My parents were Gilead missionaries. My wife's family were pioneers and served where the need was greater. Grandparents believed they were of the anointed class. Do I miss my times giving district assembly talks? Not in the slightest, at the time you thought you were special to have been picked, yet when I think about it now everything you said was from the organisation, you weren't allowed to diverge from the script. So I was only being a ventriloquist dummy for some faceless person in the Writing Committee in New York. It wasn't really me as it definitely is now.
I regret the years I spent serving a lie. Although, the public speaking training I received has helped me in my post-JW life. We have real genuine friends in the local community and good self-esteem. We are our own people and our blessed in so many ways that before we became POMO we genuinely could not have imagined.
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CSA Victom Speaks Out
by LostintheFog1999 ini happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week.
you feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced csa and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.. https://fb.watch/j1qacgxphi/.
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LostintheFog1999
I happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week. You feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced CSA and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.
https://fb.watch/j1QAcGXPHi/
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Depiction of Governing Body on JW org
by Listener ina topic was started over at reddit directing people's attention to a depiction on jw.org of the governing body.
it's not in their publication, only on the website under the topic of "what is the governing body?
but who are these guys in the depiction?.
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LostintheFog1999
Yeah, the picture only shows the top half of the men seated around the table.
We can't see how many of them are wearing tight pants below the table's level.
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Stress of Going to a Summer Convention
by LostintheFog1999 inspotted this picture on a friend's page, he was highlighting the mental health issue.
however,we thought the magazine on stress was deliberately placed in the summer months because for any jw going to a convention, paying high season hotel rates for themselves or their whole family to stay near the convention centre, fighting coworkers and managers to get the time off work, travelling expenses, buying their own meals for the family, buying new shiny suits and dresses to impress (particularly if you have teenage girls who are looking for their prince), and more.... by the time they come home again and straight away back to work, their nerves will be so frazzled that their stress levels will have sky rocketed!.
as brother elder says to them, "don't worry.
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LostintheFog1999
Spotted this picture on a friend's page, he was highlighting the mental health issue.
However,we thought the magazine on STRESS was deliberately placed in the summer months because for any JW going to a convention, paying high season hotel rates for themselves or their whole family to stay near the convention centre, fighting coworkers and managers to get the time off work, travelling expenses, buying their own meals for the family, buying new shiny suits and dresses to impress (particularly if you have teenage girls who are looking for their prince), and more...
By the time they come home again and straight away back to work, their nerves will be so frazzled that their stress levels will have sky rocketed!
As brother Elder says to them, "Don't worry. Here's the magazine to take away all your worries about the debt you have incurred, and find relief from stress. Just read it!"
Lol. I'm glad that is all in the past for me nowadays. I can holiday when and where I want to be in the summer months. Gone are those days of enforced rigidity. Hallelujah.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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LostintheFog1999
Maybe it's a recognised form of words.
I recall that if an elder had to step aside for health reasons the same announcement was read out as for an elder being removed for a misdemeanor.
It simply was announced that "so-and-so is no longer serving as an elder".
It caused heartache at times because if the R&F didn't know it was health issues that made someone come off the body of elders the congregation was rife with rumours as to why the person had ceased to be an elder.
I reckon it's a standard form of words in relation to AM3 as well... But we will wait and see.
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Divisions deliberately caused by God?
by LostintheFog1999 inassuming that you don't dismiss genesis outright as a collection of myths, i was musing about the actions of god as recorded in genesis 11:1-9 regarding the building of the tower of babel.. this origin story for the multiplicity of languages in the earth has god getting annoyed with humans for staying in one location instead of filling out across the whole world.. yahweh could have stopped the tower being built by collapsing it by means of an earthquake, sinking sand, or an extreme gale.
even using an angel to kick it over when everyone was tucked up in bed asleep.
but no, instead he muddles up the vocabulary and grammar and made brand new languages creating division and confusion.. what's more he didn't scatter them and send them off in mixed multicultural groups, but instead he lets them wander off in tribes and family groups.
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LostintheFog1999
Assuming that you don't dismiss Genesis outright as a collection of myths, I was musing about the actions of God as recorded in Genesis 11:1-9 regarding the building of the Tower of Babel.
This origin story for the multiplicity of languages in the earth has God getting annoyed with humans for staying in one location instead of filling out across the whole world.
Yahweh could have stopped the tower being built by collapsing it by means of an earthquake, sinking sand, or an extreme gale. Even using an angel to kick it over when everyone was tucked up in bed asleep. But no, instead he muddles up the vocabulary and grammar and made brand new languages creating division and confusion.
What's more he didn't scatter them and send them off in mixed multicultural groups, but instead He lets them wander off in tribes and family groups. Very insular. And no doubt the family heads quite quickly drawing up "them or us" survival techniques for their own tribal family. (Genesis 10:5.)
What is the most divisive thing in the world leading to wars and conflict?
Isn't it usually other nationalities, different tribes, people who speak a different language to your own. A grab for their land, wealth or possessions, or to take their women for the purpose of breeding. Surely God must have known that his actions would eventually lead to divisions and human casualties in time?
He can't really blame humanity for fighting each other as it was him (if you believe this Genesis story) that caused the division in the first place!