the last time i heard from my father, was last july , a few days before a special assembly day.
he heard that we were not going to meeting anymore, which was stange since hubby was an elder last time he thought to check on me.
i have always been the good daughter, the one who stayed in "the truth" , the one he was so proud of.
By their fruits you will know my disciples Christ said.
Who's disciples are those that behave like the way you described your dad. Sorry but it hurts. I got over it and so will you. Life is too short, look to the future and make the most of what life has to offer. Maybe one day he will see the light. You can't afford to just sit around waiting, you need to live life to the full NOW.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
this may be obvious to some but has anybody noticed the lack of doctrinal based watchtower study articles in wts for the last 2 years?.
lately we've been just getting either "pep talk" articles or articles that are only based on subjects.. the only new light lately is mainly the daniel and isaiah books.
and any new light in wt's is mainly just clarification (usually in the q's from readers page).. from ak
They are a bit affraid with their new light, current light and the latest ligh. They have been proved wrong too many times and some of the dummies are waking up to their tricks.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
i've asked many times but still can't get an answer.. all these billions of people who are going to heaven.. where is it?.
what you gonna do all day?.
how long before an eternity will seem like an eternity and you gonna get bored sh!tless?.
I've asked many times but still can't get an answer.
All these BIllions of people who are going to heaven.
where is it?
how will you get there?
what you gonna do all day?
how long before an eternity will seem like an eternity and you gonna get bored sh!tless?
Do people ever think about these questions? I guess not otherwise they'd realize what a ridiculous notion it is and they'd become JDubs and be bored sh!tless on Paradise earth ruled over by the princely class. (elders)
I don't know which idea is more ridiculous?
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
you may ask how do i know i am going to heaven, well some kind of spirit bears witness with me," then i feel funny inside, i feel this over wealming feeling that i can look inside you and know things about people i don't want to know,i eat my bread and drink my wine alone so as to not stumble anyone; cause i am a masive sinner in my eyes i am lible for gehenia.
but like eddies in time i am sweep towareds gods love for reasons i can not fathom, i just roll with the flow of it all, i know its real much like the smell of a rain storm is so real and is.
( now isn't this heavey ).
you said
well some kind of spirit bears witness with me,
That'll do it all right.... you have to be more select in what kind of spirit you partake.
I like the good stuff, imported and usually expensive so I have to partake in small portions.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
do you want to read this year's memorial talk outline?
of course you can, and you can naturally find it on the watchtower observer :).
yachyd da.
Mum asked me if I was coming to the memorial this year? My reply:
Why should I have a shower, shave and spruce up, but on my monkey suit and my fake smile, drive 20km to stand around for an hour and NOT partake, when I can simply stay at home and NOT partake right here?
The response? Well you guessed it. What can they say?
They can see how stupid this whole BS ritual is but no-one dares to think for them self and bring the matter up for discussion.
I asked mum the other day. Didn't jesus say, keep doing this (not partaking) until I returen?
Yes
But he returned in 1914 didn't he?
Silence.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
dewayne blackwell & his co-writer of the song "i got friends in low places" sung by garth brooks .
he also wrote "mr. blue" #1 hit in 1959. he was in my cong.
in northern california.. larry graham's manager ron woodmansee is too...at lease he was in the seventies.he wqas also in my cong.
When I mentioned to my JDub mum that Whacko Jacko was a JDub, she responded with the standard Society response. " Thats not true, that's Apostates trying to make the Society look bad". When I showed her the article in one of the local womans magazines which she bought, still she just said it's not true.
How can you show these people the real truth when they are permanently in denial.
Discussing any other subject, she is just like any other normal human being, but say anything negative about her Jehovahs organisation and Bang up goes the shutters, the ears stop hearing and the brain goes into neutral.
Best thing is to just give up and only help those who WANT to be helped.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
i'm a newbie around here.
i have only posted once but i've come in here almost every day to read for about the past month.
this place has been therapeutic for me as i'm currently trying to make my exit out of the borg.
The Star,
Please listen to the eperienced ones. We all feel like writing the Society and telling them exactly how we feel and tell them all about their lies, deceptions and plain illegal stuff they have done.
Truth is they already know they are a buch of crooks. they know about all the innocent people who have died on account of their rules and regulations. They DON'T GIVE A SHIT about you and me. They are a business wanting to survive. Writing a DA letter will achieve NOTHING except give them ammunition to demonise you and possibly destroy your family. To the the Society comes first destroying a family is a small sacrifice. I was told to leave my wife, by elder T, when it looked like she might endanger by spirituality (my association with the Witchtower)
Do NOTHING until you have had lots of time to THINK.
Save your relationship with your husband.
We walked away together 6 years ago and they leave us alone. We are not DAed or DFed they just shun us because we stopped going to meetings. Recently the witnessing group knocked on our door. I told them we go to a different Hall now because of the way they treated us 6 years ago for simply marrying with getting the elder permission. They tried to DF us but I stood up to them and won using their own publications and the bible.
90% of the congo still shun us because elder T says so.
They don't play fair so don't play their game. If they want to talk to you, tell them to speak to the head of the family, your husband.
Refuse to meet with them without your husband. Tell them NOTHING except you are depressed and need time to get yourself together.
DO NOT DA yourseld it is exactly the same as being DFed.
FADE AWAY slowly, there is no easy way out of the Witchtower it is worse than leaving the Mafia.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
as we read the many expressions here on the board it is plain for all to see that the actions and beliefs of the wts have caused great hurt and distress.
why, even blind freddie can see it!
in short, for many, many jws the organisation with its elder arrangement just doesn't work.
Even those of us who are not DFed or DAed but have simply walked away are still hurting just thinking about the way we were treated by those loving Christian elders simply for commiting the crime of marying without obtaining their permission first.
Shunned by 95% of the congregation even though cleared of any wrongdoing by the Judicial Kangaroo court. Still they shunned us simply on the sayso of one arrogant selfcentered elder.
It still hurts 6 1/2 years down the track. They should be made to pay for the phycological damage they do to people.
I think they call this special love 'agape' which is greek for horseshit.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
i was talking to a friend and she told me that at her hall they gave a special part (i beleive it was during the meeting where they use the km)(man my memory is fading fast.
any way it is late and i am rambling.
my point is that they came out with a pretty balanced awake that made it sound as though a college education wa ok with them.
We call it the mushroom treatment.
Keep'm in the dark
Feed'm on bullsh!t
and when they're ripe, tread on'm
By keeping JDubs ignorant and uneducated they will believe any old crap they feed them. It's the same all over the world not just in religion.
Education is only affordable by the rich to make sure there will be plenty of stupid ones to do the hard yakka for the rich.
In order for some to be rich there have to be many poor. In order for someone to win the lotto there have to be many many loosers. Us.
Both governments and religion, they go hand in hand anyway, preach to the uneducated. Put up with all the crap and hardship in life and don't complain (revolt) and you will get your reward after you're dead. And we believed that crap?
The meek shall inherit the earth..... but first they get trampled on.
How could we fall for such garbage?
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
how many of you knew about beth sarim when you were a jehovah's witness?
our most frequent poster, waiting, did not know about it until she left the religion.
i happen to know about it because my aunt berta lived there after rutherford's death.
I wonder whatever happened to those "millions now living will never die"
Oh yes that's right, they died. Isn't that right Freddy?
The Witchtower was wrong again.
And you will know the truth and the REAL truth will set you free.
OlderTom
