Yes I agree with Xanthippe. I also spelt out my doubts to the CO, to do with UN/OSCE. He "encouraged" me to write a letter to Bethel. The letter came back through the local branch: "No comment." Next step was a JC and disfellowshipping as an apostate. The pronouncement at the KH: So-and-so does not want to be a Witness anymore. So yes, I'm afraid they are setting you up for a fall. Everything of the best!
Posts by Vidqun
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12We are not trees
by Rip ingot a stengthening committee coming in yesterday and i lashed down the bomb.. honestly, without fear i pointed out all contradictons with reference to the july 15 watchtower,.
the first article about sheep and goats, killing the year 1914 (that was a good move) and then ressussitating it in the next article about wheat and weeds( i said this is an irresponsible writing) and attempting to re emphasize it in the rest of the following article.
outrageous, dishonest and irresponsible.
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Sacrifices
by lambsbottom inhello all,.
i remember, whether from a talk or from a wt, sacrifices made in time, money, or energy from jws compared directly to the animal sacrifices made by the israelites.
can anyone find some good quotes that show this?.
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Vidqun
No, the trend was to move away from animal sacrifice altogether. The Qumran adherents, responsible for the Dead Sea Scrolls, also rejected the temple sacrifices. This was also predicted by Dan. 9:24-27. Sacrifice and gift offering would cease. Paul explains the significance of animal sacrifices to Christians at Hebr. 13:10-15. So, "sacrifice of praise" and "doing of good" would take the place of animal sacrifices.
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Can the jw organization be reformed?
by wannaexit ini know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
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Vidqun
Here’s a bit of Biblical wisdom that answers the question: “That which is made crooked cannot be made straight, and that which is wanting cannot possibly be counted.” (Ecc 1:15 NWT)
Another scripture comes to mind: “But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.” (2Pe 3:13 NWT)
God must make everything new “and in these righteousness is to dwell.” That means that there is no righteousness now. So, Jehovah’s Witnesses, as an organization, like all earthly organizations, cannot survive. Many prophecies point to this (cf. Dan. 2:44; 12:7; Zech. 13:7, 8; 14:1-3; Rev. 11:7, 8, 18; 19:11-21).
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The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE
by scotoma inwhen i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.
(and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).
paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.
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Vidqun
On Bloomberg they showed three generations of Warren Buffett's family, Warren Buffett, his son, and his son, involved in writing a book on the philantropy side of their business. I estimate about a thirty year difference between them. So, according to WT teaching, it's not three generations, but one generation with three overlaps. If you believe that, you'll believe anything. Or, they have added a new meaning to the dictionary definition of generation, and should inform Webster, Wikipaedia, et al of this extraordinary development.
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Lecithin
by Iamallcool ini have been taking lecithin 1200 mg daily but i am wondering if i should take blood test to find out how much i can take lecithin safely daily?
i am not sure where to go for blood test.
any suggestions?.
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Vidqun
My uncle and his wife were childless. After taking Lecithin and Vitamin E (my uncle) they ended up having a boy and a girl. True story. Don't know which one did the trick. Might have been a combination of the two. So beware!
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Do you think the Watchtower corporation can be "helped" to come clean?
by Fernando init seems all humans and groups suffer from the universal problem of being able to see what is wrong with others, but not themselves.. so how to "help"?.
maybe some paraphrasing of what the watchtower has written about others, which equally applies to them?
*** w09 6/1 p. 9 they loved the word of god ***[ray franz' book "in search of christian freedom"] was not welcomed by the [watchtower corporation].
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Vidqun
Where are those that attempted to help them back on the path? Most have been disfellowshipped as apostates. I think I'll go with ABibleStudent and Smiddy on this one.
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HELP NEEDED for the book I'm writing!
by Terry ini'm about 90% finished on a book i started nine years ago.
it will deal with jehovah's witness policy on conscientious objectors during war time.
from the 1800's through the end of the draft in the early 1970's.. i am also giving a personal biographical account of my own introduction to the religion, process of assimilation and ministry experience.. additionally, i'm working in timelines connecting the 2nd adventist teachings with russell, rutherford and mainstream watchtower doctrines.. .
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Vidqun
Terry, you have a PM.
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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?
by besty inrecently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.
discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.
questions are asked.
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Vidqun
Well said Botr. Now I know why I will never survive on "Survivor." I am not a good judge of character. I am not good at ascertaining motive. I'd rather stick with what I know and what I enjoy doing.
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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?
by besty inrecently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.
discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.
questions are asked.
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Vidqun
Please Cofty, keep in mind this is JWN. Believe it or not, you follow the same principles in proving your thoughts on evolution. Different books, different authors, same principle. However, I used above as examples to demonstrate how I would prove "truth," as opposed to the opinions of the WT. When a person makes 'real life' claims, one would want to believe him, until his claims are disproved. There I must admit, I can be gullible, for allowing the benefit of the doubt.
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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?
by besty inrecently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.
discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.
questions are asked.
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Vidqun
In scientific research (esp. Medical) one looks for a"golden standard." When a new test is developed it is usually compared to a reliable test that have been proved to be accurate, i.e., a golden standard. For the detection of TB in body fluids, a good test to use is the Ziehl Neelson stain (relatively cheap and not too complicated, but might miss small concentrations of acid-fast bacilli). An alternative test is Immunofluorescent Microscopy which is more sensitive, but much more expensive. The latter I would use as a "golden standard" to test newer detection methods coming on the market.
This principle I have applied to Biblical research. Base texts for the NT are numerous. But the latest Nestle-Aland (ed. 28) is an ideal reference point. Biblia Hebraica Stutgartensia for the Hebrew is not perfect, but a good basis to work from. In time the finished products of BHQ and The Hebrew University Bible Project will supersede it as a study edition.
Some books I view as a "golden standard" to establish the meaning of NT words:
1) BDAG: Bauer-Danker Lexicon of NT
2) TDNT: Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
3) Friberg Lexicon
4) Liddell & Scott, etc.
The "golden standard" for OT words:
1) HALOT: Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament
2) TDOT: Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament
3) TWOT: Theological Wordbook of the OT
4) Brown-Driver Briggs Lexicon
5) Gesenius, etc.
This is not a perfect system. Some of above works are quite dated. Kittel, resposible for some of the earlier articles of TDNT was a Nazi. Gesenius, again, had some rationalistic tendencies as pointed out by Tregelles in his translation of Gesenius' Lexicon. But at least it is a foundation to work on. So this is my starting point, right or wrong. One must start somewhere....