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  Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  see last item:.

  "media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

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  Vidqun

  I'm with you there Phizzy. A literal interpretation of the two-witness rule means all the wrongdoer/criminal has to do is get rid of the witness(es), then his home scot-free. Ah, now we know where the witness protection program comes from.
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  Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  see last item:.

  "media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

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  Vidqun

  Johnamos, let's take the Conti case as an example. This wonderful brother offers to take the (9 year old) girl on fieldservice. Those taking the lead in the group, agrees, while knowing this person has molested his daughter. As Conti testified, her parents was undergoing marital difficulties at the time. True, they cannot be excused, but neither should the molester or elders or Branch Office be excused for their role in the matter. And this is what the courtcase is about, about culpability. Could the elders have prevented the situation? I think so.
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  Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  see last item:.

  "media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

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  Vidqun

  Johnamos, that is because child molestation amongst the Witnesses has been swept under the rug by the Society for many years. These instructions, not to report it to the authorities, have come down from the top, and has been enforced by CO's and elders alike. If you follow the different courtcases and the threads of Barbara Anderson, you will be enlightened as to the facts. Now, at last, the pigeons have come to roost. Somewhat too late for those young lives that have been destroyed, by timeously nevertheless!
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  Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  see last item:.

  "media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

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  Vidqun

  Johnamos, in Witness-speak, this is not a law but a (general) principle. Should this principle be upheld in every case, especially in the case of child molestation or murder? Certainly this might have worked to some extent in the first century and before, but do you really think it should be applied in the 21st century? Today we have Forensics: fingerprints, DNA, and physical evidence, etc., even better than human witnesses, and more conclusive. So, by not reporting child abuse to the authorities you bury the evidence. Who would you be protecting, the child or the pedophile?

  By the way, Johnamos, do you have children? Would you leave them in the care of any of your brothers at the Kingdom Hall? If you do, you're an idiot, because you do not know who the pedophiles are. Only the elders are privy to that information, which they will not share with ordinary publishers. But don't worry, justice for the victims are imminent. If this appeal goes through, it will pave the way for may more cases to be opened against the Watchtower, and their ilk, which will hurt their pocket, and (hopefully) drive them to bankruptcy.
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  Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  see last item:.

  "media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".

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  Vidqun

  Thanks for the heads up Londo. The following scripture comes to mind: " For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, neither anything carefully concealed that will never become known and never come into the open" ( Luk 8:17 NWT). The irony is that the Witnesses believe the Mosaic law was cancelled out when Jesus came, but they stubbornly insist on enforcing the "two-witness rule." It will not go down well with the general populace.
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  Matthew 24:19-21

  by Pete Zahut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  but woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

  and pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath for then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.. this scripture was always used to frighten us about the upcoming great tribulaton.

  when i was in high school my late mother found out she was pregnant with my youngest sister.

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  Vidqun

  Morpheus, it's not as complicated as you make it. Winter means ice and snow. Would it not be better for one to flee in summer? You can sleep outside if necessary and more food would be available. And it would be more beneficial fleeing alone or with your wife, than fleeing with a family, say five children. And it would be extremely difficult if your wife was pregnant, especially if she was in her last trimester. Jesus gave practical advice to those Jews that were in a war situation with Rome.
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  FDS & G.B. TEACHING DESTROYED

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  credit to vidqun for the direction given.. the watchtower november 15th qfr http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20141115/ blows the selection process/timing/individuals clean out of the water!.

  simply put, ask any witness these questions:.

  who is represented by the 'two witnesses' in revelation chapter 7?

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  Vidqun

  BluesBrother, you're missing the point. They contend that the "beast out of the sea" (Rev. 13:1) = "beast out of the abyss" (Rev. 11:7; 17:8). First of all, that's wrong. The "beast out of the abyss" would kill the two witnesses, not the "beast out of the sea." See Rev. 11:7. Secondly, they explain the "beast from the abyss" to be the League of Nations/United Nations. The "beast from the sea" they explain as "the seven major powers that have, each in its turn, taken the lead in oppressing God's people," i.e., Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American World Power (Revelation Climax-Book, pp. 187, 188). Yes, they have always claimed that the "beast out of the sea" would kill the two witnesses because that fits their interpretation. However, they are contradicting the Bible by doing so (see Rev. 11:7). One cannot have one's cake and eat it. One cannot change the identity of the beasts to fit one's interpretation. Note the warning in Revelation (22:18, 19) when you add or take away from the scroll.
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  FDS & G.B. TEACHING DESTROYED

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  credit to vidqun for the direction given.. the watchtower november 15th qfr http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20141115/ blows the selection process/timing/individuals clean out of the water!.

  simply put, ask any witness these questions:.

  who is represented by the 'two witnesses' in revelation chapter 7?

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  Vidqun

  This is a typical example of the Society’s dishonest scholarship. The beast that “is destined to ascend out of the abyss” (Rev. 17:8) is the same beast “that ascends out of the abyss” (Rev. 11:7). [In Revelation the beasts are identified by their origin, e.g., the beast from the sea (Rev. 13:1), the beast from the earth (Rev. 13:11), etc.]

  The Society identifies the beast that “is destined to ascend out of the abyss” of Rev. 17:8 with the League of Nations and the United Nations (Revelation Climax -book, Chapter 34, p. 248).

  The scarlet-colored wild beast did indeed climb out of the abyss. On June 26, 1945, with noisy fanfare in San Francisco, U.S.A., 50 nations voted to accept the Charter of the United Nations organization. This body was “to maintain international peace and security.” There were many similarities between the League and the UN. TheWorldBookEncyclopedia notes: “In some ways, the UN resembles the League of Nations, which was organized after World War I . . . Many of the nations that founded the UN had also founded the League. Like the League, the UN was established to help keep peace between nations. The main organs of the UN are much like those of the League.” The UN, then, is actually a revival of the scarlet-colored wild beast. Its membership of some 190 nations far exceeds that of the League’s 63; it has also taken on broader responsibilities than its predecessor.

  However, at Rev. 11:7 the beast “ascending out of the abyss” is identified as the great political beast of Revelation 13:1 “ascending out of the sea” (Revelation Climax -book, Chapter 25, pp. 167, 168).

  From 1914 to 1918 the nations were occupied with the first world war. Nationalistic feelings ran high, and in the spring of 1918, the religious enemies of the two witnesses took advantage of the situation. They maneuvered the State’s legal apparatus so that responsible ministers of the Bible Students were imprisoned on false charges of sedition. Faithful coworkers were stunned. Kingdom activity almost ceased. It was as though the preaching work were dead.

  Notice now the footnote in the Revelation Climax-book (p. 167): The “abyss” (Greek, a′bys·sos; Hebrew, tehohm′) refers symbolically to a place of inactivity. (See Revelation 9:2.) In a literal sense, however, it can also refer to the vast sea. The Hebrew word is often translated “watery deep.” (Psalm 71:20; 106:9; Jonah 2:5) Thus, “the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss” can be identified with the “wild beast ascending out of the sea.”—Revelation 11:7; 13:1.

  Interestingly, the person(s) in the Writing Department, resposible for the Revelation Climax-book, did indeed notice the discrepancy. Why else the elaborate footnote? Question: Why on earth would they go to such lengths to bend the truth? Answer: To defend their 1914-1918 doctrine at all costs, even at the expense of honest scholarship and the truth.
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  I have nothing left in the tank, I need help

  by Yondaime in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i dont have the willpower to attend meetings anymore.

  i'm literally on the sound system list every week.

  i'm either reading on sunday or tuesday, praying on tuesday nites, adjusting mics, passing mics, or working the sound system, or doing last minute parts for the service meeting.

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  Vidqun

  Look for the article on "Burnout" in the Awake! mag. Discuss it with your parents. I'm sure they'll get the message.
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  The Watchtower Confirms that The "Faithful & Discreet Slave" in 1914 Were Prophets.

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  responding to the question - who are the two witnesses mentioned in revelation chapter 11?.

  "so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of gods kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached in sackcloth for three and a half years.

  " (watchtower 2014 11/15 pp.28-30).

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  Vidqun

  In this case, the WT exclaimer should read: In the making of this prophecy, no witnesses were harmed or killed.