To the contrary, note what Jesus says of you if you don't partake: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day” (cf. John 6:48-54 ESV). And the basis of judgement: “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day” (12:47, 48 ESV). [Cursive script added.] Are the GB members sentencing their brothers to death?
Posts by Vidqun
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53the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.
by waton infor pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.
in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!
all jws partook.
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Another Rainbow explained....
by snare&racket indue to the many variables involved it has been difficult for science to predict how proteins fold to form their uniquely functional state.
proteins are built from individual amino acids up, coded by dna.
protein function is dictated by its shape and amino acid make up.
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Create (Design/Manufacture)
Google > DeepMind > Complicated folded protein molecule
Spontaneous generation (Design/manufacuture)
Cell information and manufacturing system > Complicated folded protein molecule
It certainly boggles the mind!
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The 1950s NWT (1984)
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.
to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.
jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?
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Well, seeing that we are generalizing, one could say most modern English Bible translations are based on the King James, including the ASV. I think I read on this forum that an Israeli translator affirmed that Frederick Franz was adept at Hebrew. She could not fault his translation. I still believe that he had some original ideas, whether right or wrong. The critique of his "[strong] testicle" translation just proved it to me yet again. But I do not excuse his scholarly dishonesty to prove a doctrinal point. A good example is Jer. 29:10 in order to prove the 1914 date. If he did have a good knowledge of Hebrew he would have known it was wrong. The Silver Sword also has it wrong.
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The 1950s NWT (1984)
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.
to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.
jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?
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I think Franz was ahead of his time in certain aspects. As you will see, he's not far off with his literal translation of Jer. 5:8. Here's HALOT, the most modern and influential version of Koehler and Baumgartner's Lexicon, edited by J. J. Stamm, with an explanation of hkv: denominative vb. possessing testicles; with visible testicles, NRSV: lusty stallions Jr 5 8. † Note strong in brackets, very accurate.
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The 1950s NWT (1984)
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.
to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.
jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?
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No Jeffro, I don't agree. We have a modernization of the King James in the form of the New King James Version (NKJV), yet the NWT is nothing like it. The ASV had some influence, e.g., Jehovah in the OT, but overall quite different. As you said their verbal structure, quite tedious, but original according Franz's wayward theories of the Hebrew Verbal System. Nothing quite like it amongst the translations. I wrote to them that it was quite contradictory and gave examples, but I am sure they didn't appreciate my criticism at the time.
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The 1950s NWT (1984)
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.
to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.
jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?
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This proves that the NWT is an original translation, even though funny. I have learnt a lot from it, believe it or not. E.g., 'El is singular for God and 'Elohim is plural (of excellence), translated God. The [true] God indicates the distinction. Few translations indicate the peculiarity of the Hebrew. And the average Jew really had an averse reaction to idols after being punished repeatedly for this sin, thus the dungy part, similar for the word "abomination," something to loathe. The NWT is highly conducive for original language studies because of its peculiar renderings. One needs to go back to the original languages to find out the meaning. Think of the Greek word that they translated with "impale." In the time of the Maccabees some Jews were impaled. They were place on a sharpened stake. However, this is not how Jesus died. This is part of the learning process. What would we have done without the the NWT! It helps us to distinguish truth from doctrinal embellishment which one finds in a great variety of translation, especially official Protestant and Catholic versions.
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Bewildering Background revealing who stopped slavery in the world
by Terry inbewildering background.
even among the greatest religious thinkers and moral philosophers of civilizations around the world for 1000’s of years slavery was not considered a moral issue.. only one civilization developed a “moral revulsion” against it very late in its history:western civilization.. abraham lincoln said:if slavery is not considered wrong; nothing can be considered as wrong.. but why did not even the leading moralists among other nations and civilizations reject slavery at all?.
there is no evidence that slavery came under attack in any other part of the world before the 18th century.
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The American Civil War was about the abolishment of the slave trade. Those for the abolishment: The Republicans. Those against: The Democrats. I find that quite ironic. Perhaps all these BLM people should study history. They might just learn something.
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A thesis: The Discursive Construction of Freedom in the Watchtower Society
by AndersonsInfo ina thesis: the discursive construction of freedom in the watchtower society.
https://ris.cdu.edu.au/ws/portalfiles/portal/24632569/thesis_cdu_24577264_chester_h.pdf .
be aware, this thesis, although supremely stimulating, thought-provoking, fascinating, attention-grabbing, remarkable, noteworthy, and appealing, the author made use of out of the ordinary, worthy of note, and fascinating words and statements that, for the reader of average intelligence (like me), make for laborious reading.
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Brilliant thesis. It answered a lot of questions I wondered about. The Society as a superorganism (like a beehive) would not be interested in truth, justice or deep doctrinal issues.
The queen(s) and top echelon make sure the workers and drones toe the line and contribute to the unity of the hive. If not, they are expelled, hopefully to die outside. So all questions, e.g., Are the members of the Governing Body sincere? Do they really believe in the Bible? Will there be a reformation? are moot.
They are not interested in the opinions of the minions. As long as the minions contribute to the unity of the organization, they are acceptable. In this case all are equal (some just more equal than others). And that's where conditional love comes in. I love you as long as you obey. This is also the case with the Mormons, Scientologists, etc.
I also like her comparison with the body and its immune system. The bacteria and viruses, those spreading a different doctrine, whether right or wrong, must be eliminated.
So, for those that want to see change and are working for it, are wasting their time. According to such a model, they are flogging a dead horse, farting against thunder.
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The Great Crowd Fallacy
by Vanderhoven7 inthe great crowd of other sheep witnesses allegedly first began forming early on in the 20th century.
rutherford was totally unaware of this crowds existence until 1935. it was revealed to him in 1932 that the great crowd members were heaven-bound.
then light flashed from heaven in 1935 showing that this group was an earthly class.
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Sealing of 144000 = future event (Rev. 6:15-7:3)
Great crowd coming out of the tribulation = future event (Rev. 7:9, 14)
According to John, the sealing of the 144000 will take place after the breaking of the sixth seal (Rev. 6:12-14). Great crowd is obviously a future occurrence or have I missed something?
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To whom are the JWS faithfully loyal to Jehovah or the Watchtower Corporation and the men who run it ?
by Finkelstein inan poignant question which might make a few jws a bit uncomfortable.. the words of jesus said that no one knows of the time of his return not the ancient israelites or the first era christians and jesus admonished those who would set a time upon god's own sacred time.. words spoken by jesus that certain men failed to adhere to who self proclaimed preachers of the gospel.. the executive leaders of the watchtower corporation (gb) have said that they were the faith slave to jesus fulfilling his instructions to spread the word of the new system of things.
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yet over the past 140 years the wts and the men who have been running that organization have been endeavoring false prophets, selling a tainted corrupt version of the gospel through the literature these men published.
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Finkelstein, I agree. In addition to that, they are ignoring Biblical advice. Isaiah (2:22 NET) gives a stern warning: “Stop trusting in human beings, whose life’s breath is in their nostrils. For why should they be given special consideration?” This is in line with Jeremiah’s quote (17:5): “This is what Jehovah has said, Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man and actually makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Jehovah himself.” The rich and famous do not have the interests of the people at heart, but are focused only on their own interests. The psalmist reinforces the argument: “Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish” (Ps. 146:3, 4). Or phrased differently: “Do not trust in princes, or in human beings, who cannot deliver!” (Ps. 146:3 NET).